playing nice with Air Force One

On Jun 29, 1:58 pm, Dave S wrote:

At Ellington here in Houston, it's a joint tower (busiest by USAF
standards allegedly). They almost always say it.. wether its civil
traffic or military.

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Albuquerque is a joint tower, and every time I appraoched with the
landing lights off they asked me to check the gear.

No on was hurt, but the T-34 was only a week out of a complete
restoration.

It's even worse when it's a P-51 Mustang. Saw it happen at Davenport,
Iowa a few years ago.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

When Bush 43 paid a visit here the Coast Guard had a Dolphin flying
sniper support for the motorcade. They made several passes over my
house since I live close to the airport (KATW). The sniper was hanging
out the door with his big rifle. During the motorcade through town,
several workers at a local paper company were standing on the roof of
their building...the helo over a loudspeaker told them to get inside
or they would be shot...the Secret Service entered the building within
seconds of the warning to investigate. There were some scared and
embarrassed workers.

I learned to fly at Scott AFB (KBLV), "check wheels down" was standard
in the clearance to land statement. More airports need to do the same,
several unintentional wheels up landings could have been prevented. I
always responded "down and welded" sputtering along in my C-172.

Hawkeye wrote:
..the helo over a loudspeaker told them to get inside
or they would be shot..

I have a problem with this. They were breaking no laws. The SS can come
and check if they want, but there is a constituional right to peaceably
assemble. And this is PRIVATE property no less.

.the helo over a loudspeaker told them to get inside

or they would be shot..

I have a problem with this. They were breaking no laws. The SS can come
and check if they want, but there is a constituional right to peaceably
assemble. And this is PRIVATE property no less.

I doubt they used those exact words.

The secret service CAN be brusque (I had a run-in on the ramp with
them when John Edwards -- a nuthin' nobody -- brought a TFR down on
Des Moines, during the last election, and the SS guys were quite
firm), but they aren't stupid. They're not about to shout "Get in the
building or we'll shoot you!"
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In a previous article, Jay Honeck said:
The secret service CAN be brusque (I had a run-in on the ramp with
them when John Edwards -- a nuthin' nobody -- brought a TFR down on
Des Moines, during the last election, and the SS guys were quite
firm), but they aren't stupid. They're not about to shout "Get in the
building or we'll shoot you!"

During the 1999 election season, before Rudy Gulliani withdrew from the
senate race, I taxied in between Hillary and Rudy's planes at Prior
Aviation in Buffalo. No TFR, no threats. A phalanx of black SUVs were
meeting Hillary's Gulfstream (which had "UNITED STATES" painted on it in
large letters), but other than that it was just another arrival.


--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
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Dave S wrote:
Hawkeye wrote:
.the helo over a loudspeaker told them to get inside
or they would be shot..

I have a problem with this. They were breaking no laws. The SS can come
and check if they want, but there is a constituional right to peaceably
assemble. And this is PRIVATE property no less.

I thought about responding to Hawkeye's version of events, but figured it
was so absurd there was no reason respond. Unless they were handing out
industrial-strength stupid pills to the Secret Service agents that day,
there is no way they would have ordered people legally on private property
to do anything - and certainly not threaten to shoot them via a
loudspeaker. And entering private property without consent of the owner
when no laws were being broken? The SS has been handed their ass in court
for even less abusive behavior than that - when they got caught.

If the SS did all that Hawkeye claimed, and nobody bothered to bring legal
action against the SS agents, then somebody must have handed out
industrial-strength stupid pills to the citizens that day.

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:25:20 -0000, Jim Logajan wrote:

Dave S wrote:
Hawkeye wrote:
.the helo over a loudspeaker told them to get inside
or they would be shot..

I have a problem with this. They were breaking no laws. The SS can come
and check if they want, but there is a constituional right to peaceably
assemble. And this is PRIVATE property no less.

I thought about responding to Hawkeye's version of events, but figured it
was so absurd there was no reason respond. Unless they were handing out
industrial-strength stupid pills to the Secret Service agents that day,
there is no way they would have ordered people legally on private property
to do anything....

One occasional participant in this newsgroup used to live in a house in the
midwest. A presidential motorcade was scheduled to pass by, so he plopped
himself down in his own front yard with a homemade sign critical of the
president. HE was told to remove the sign, go back in the house, or he'd be
arrested. On his own private property.

Damn straight they can arrest you. They handcuff you, haul you to jail, stick
you in a cell for eight hours, then turn you loose without charging you.
Sue...if you can afford it.

Ron Wanttaja

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
Damn straight they can arrest you. They handcuff you, haul you to
jail, stick you in a cell for eight hours, then turn you loose without
charging you. Sue...if you can afford it.

Yes, they do these things when they can get away with it. But threatening a
crowd with deadly force over a loudspeaker? Presumably there would have
been plenty of witnesses.

One occasional participant in this newsgroup used to live in a house in the
midwest. A presidential motorcade was scheduled to pass by, so he plopped
himself down in his own front yard with a homemade sign critical of the
president. HE was told to remove the sign, go back in the house, or he'd be
arrested. On his own private property.

Then they would have had to arrest me. What nonsense is that in
America.

Ron Lee