Temporarily removing fuel and replacing it into the same aircraft

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:52:18 -0700, Brian wrote:

I have to agree with Michael, there are a lot of experts who know rules
that don't exist.

There's even a FAR which states this. I don't recall which, off hand, but
you could get it by calling your local FSDO.

- Andrew

: Recently another FSDO inspector told a local 141 flight school that
: all the gas caps on their aircraft needed to be painted Red. I am
: still trying to figure out which hat or book he might have pulled that
: rule out of. Maybe someone here knows?

Perhaps the same theorem we used in a math course in graduate school.... the "CRE."

Complete-Rectal-Extraction

;-)

-Cory

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B A R R Y wrote in
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Does anyone know of a FAR that prohibits removing fuel, avgas in
this case, and then putting it back into the same plane? The
plane is flown for part 91 service only.

Nope. Maintenance shops do it all the time. The shop I'm familiar with
have special containers and procedures (comply with fire and other
safety codes).

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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Does anyone know of a FAR that prohibits removing fuel, avgas in this
case, and then putting it back into the same plane? The plane is flown
for part 91 service only.

Examples:

1.) The plane is 50 pounds overweight for conditions. 10 gallons is
siphoned out into a clean, single-purpose, approved for gasoline
container. The sealed container is stored in a safe place. 2-3 hours
later, upon completing the trip and returning to the field, I pour it back
into the tank.

2.) I want to calibrate a fuel dipstick, so I remove a gallon at a time
while taking readings. After I read the tank, I return the fuel to the
tank.

I've been told this is a violation. The person who tells me this can't
cite a FAR, and I can't find one in my own search.

Defueling is common practice in the airline business. We always defueled
before bringing in both narrow and wide body aircraft. I feel certain they
reused the same fuel.

Maxwell wrote:

Defueling is common practice in the airline business. We always defueled
before bringing in both narrow and wide body aircraft. I feel certain they
reused the same fuel.

Now that you mention that, I seem to remember a crewmember telling me
how the MD-88 I was aboard was ferrying fuel from DFW to SJO.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Does anyone know of a FAR that prohibits removing fuel, avgas in this
case, and then putting it back into the same plane? The plane is flown
for part 91 service only.

Examples:

1.) The plane is 50 pounds overweight for conditions. 10 gallons is
siphoned out into a clean, single-purpose, approved for gasoline
container. The sealed container is stored in a safe place. 2-3 hours
later, upon completing the trip and returning to the field, I pour it back
into the tank.

2.) I want to calibrate a fuel dipstick, so I remove a gallon at a time
while taking readings. After I read the tank, I return the fuel to the
tank.

I've been told this is a violation. The person who tells me this can't
cite a FAR, and I can't find one in my own search.

I hope it is not a violation, I've had to do this at remote mountain
airstrips
for years. I have seen tanks calibrated(Sticks & Gauges) in an approved
shop.


Al G

Greater likelihood is that you may be violating an AIRPORT rule. If your
field does not permit self-fueling, then the activity you note would
probably be considered a violation. But FAR's???? Naahh !
"Al G" wrote in message
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
. net...
Does anyone know of a FAR that prohibits removing fuel, avgas in this
case, and then putting it back into the same plane? The plane is flown
for part 91 service only.

Examples:

1.) The plane is 50 pounds overweight for conditions. 10 gallons is
siphoned out into a clean, single-purpose, approved for gasoline
container. The sealed container is stored in a safe place. 2-3 hours
later, upon completing the trip and returning to the field, I pour it
back into the tank.

2.) I want to calibrate a fuel dipstick, so I remove a gallon at a time
while taking readings. After I read the tank, I return the fuel to the
tank.

I've been told this is a violation. The person who tells me this can't
cite a FAR, and I can't find one in my own search.

I hope it is not a violation, I've had to do this at remote mountain
airstrips
for years. I have seen tanks calibrated(Sticks & Gauges) in an approved
shop.


Al G

In rec.aviation.owning pgbnh wrote:
: Greater likelihood is that you may be violating an AIRPORT rule. If your
: field does not permit self-fueling, then the activity you note would
: probably be considered a violation. But FAR's???? Naahh !
: "Al G" wrote in message
: ...

My friendly-neighborhood AIRPORT manager tried to mandate no self-fueling of aircraft shortly after we shelled out just
shy of $2000 for an autogas STC for our PA-28-180. I pointed him in the direction of the regulations regarding restrictions on
public airports that accept federal funding. Included in those (can't find the link at the moment) is a requirement that pilots
can fuel their own aircraft for non-commercial use. Non-issue after that.

-Cory


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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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Some FBOs have a policy that prohibits fuel that has been removed from
an aircraft from going into any other aircraft. They'll use the
"used" fuel for AGE (ground equipment) but won't pump it back into an
airplane for liability reasons (could have become contaminated in the
airplane they took it from, perhaps?). I don't know of anything that
prohibits a private owner from defueling his part 91 aircraft and
refueling it with the properly stored "used" fuel. Common sense
requires the fuel to be kept free of contamination and proper safety
measures utilized in the refueling process.

"150flivver" wrote

I don't know of anything that
prohibits a private owner from defueling his part 91 aircraft and
refueling it with the properly stored "used" fuel. Common sense
requires the fuel to be kept free of contamination and proper safety
measures utilized in the refueling process.

From the things I have seen, there is even more danger in defueling. There can
be considerable static electricity generated in fuel falling into a fuel
container.

Planes have been burned to the ground, and the hangar with it. I'm sorry, but I
don't remember where I read these articles.
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Jim in NC