Preliminary NTSB Report on the Oshkosh P51 Crash Released

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Both Mustang airplanes departed from OSH as part of a five-aircraft air
race demonstration event at the EAA AirVenture 2007 air show. The
demonstration air race was completed and the five aircraft were in the
process of landing separately, and not in formation, on runway 36.

It looked like this on the video. The trailing aircraft was too far away to
be a formation landing. I looks like he lost sight of the guy in front.
You guys flying taildragger, I recommend kicking in a slip every now and
then on final to clear the runway.

Danny Deger
Lots of good flying stories on my web site,
www.dannydeger.net

Dudley Henriques writes:

The following information came in to me by back channel [...]
[...] The demonstration air race was completed and the five
aircraft were in the process of landing separately, and not in
formation, on runway 36.

Does that make sense though? It sounds like the two planes were very
close already on final, and the trailing pilot ought to have seen the
one just ahead.

- FChE

"Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques writes:

The following information came in to me by back channel [...]
[...] The demonstration air race was completed and the five
aircraft were in the process of landing separately, and not in
formation, on runway 36.

Does that make sense though? It sounds like the two planes were very
close already on final, and the trailing pilot ought to have seen the
one just ahead.

The video shows the trailing plane was also higher. If is difficult to see
over the nose in a lot of taildraggers -- or even some nosewheel planes for
that matter. Like I said in an earlier post, I make it a habit to slip for
a second or two to clear the runway. I highly recommend this technique.

Danny Deger

Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:

The following information came in to me by back channel [...]
[...] The demonstration air race was completed and the five
aircraft were in the process of landing separately, and not in
formation, on runway 36.

Does that make sense though? It sounds like the two planes were very
close already on final, and the trailing pilot ought to have seen the
one just ahead.

Wasn't there a functioning tower to wave them off or fire some red flares
when the second one crept up on the one rounding out?

George Z.

George Z. Bush wrote:
Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:

The following information came in to me by back channel [...]
[...] The demonstration air race was completed and the five
aircraft were in the process of landing separately, and not in
formation, on runway 36.

Does that make sense though? It sounds like the two planes were
very close already on final, and the trailing pilot ought to have
seen the one just ahead.

Wasn't there a functioning tower to wave them off or fire some red
flares when the second one crept up on the one rounding out?

George Z.



Would the pilot of either aircraft have time to see a red flare from the
tower at that point in the landing ?



--

Cheers

Dave Kearton

Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:

The following information came in to me by back channel [...]
[...] The demonstration air race was completed and the five
aircraft were in the process of landing separately, and not in
formation, on runway 36.

Does that make sense though? It sounds like the two planes were very
close already on final, and the trailing pilot ought to have seen the
one just ahead.

- FChE

My sources tell me the A was on an extended final. With the amount of
flap the A was carrying, he would have also had to have been carrying
some manifold pressure to keep the nose up in that situation. It is
entirely possible that a Mustang in that approach configuration would
have a visual scan of the runway beyond where the D was obviously being
flared beneath the A's nose.
I believe the restricted visibility inherent to the A was a contributing
factor to this accident. I also believe that the investigation will
reveal additional factors involving the prebriefed pattern sequencing
and errors within that sequencing.
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote

I also believe that the investigation will reveal additional factors
involving the prebriefed pattern sequencing and errors within that
sequencing.

Right.

Until the report comes out, everyone, lets all STFU, and honor the request
of the P-51 community to let the conjecture end. Let the thread die a
natural death.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote

I also believe that the investigation will reveal additional factors
involving the prebriefed pattern sequencing and errors within that
sequencing.

Right.

Until the report comes out, everyone, lets all STFU, and honor the request
of the P-51 community to let the conjecture end. Let the thread die a
natural death.

Who runs this P-51 community that is trying to run the internet? I havn't
heard from anyone.

Danny Deger

"Danny Deger" wrote

Who runs this P-51 community that is trying to run the internet? I havn't
heard from anyone.

Typical response from you.

Just like when you were at NASA, NOBODY is going to tell you what to do, or
how to do it. Thus, all of your problems.
--
Jim in NC

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:

The following information came in to me by back channel [...]
[...] The demonstration air race was completed and the five
aircraft were in the process of landing separately, and not in
formation, on runway 36.

Does that make sense though? It sounds like the two planes were very
close already on final, and the trailing pilot ought to have seen the
one just ahead.

- FChE

My sources tell me the A was on an extended final. With the amount of
flap the A was carrying, he would have also had to have been carrying
some manifold pressure to keep the nose up in that situation. It is
entirely possible that a Mustang in that approach configuration would
have a visual scan of the runway beyond where the D was obviously being
flared beneath the A's nose.
I believe the restricted visibility inherent to the A was a contributing
factor to this accident. I also believe that the investigation will
reveal additional factors involving the prebriefed pattern sequencing
and errors within that sequencing.
Dudley Henriques

The *really* hard part, at least for me, will be to remember to look this up
after the final report is released. OTOH, there may be a new thread started
to serve as a reminder.

I'm countin' on youse guys.

Peter
(This case is too tragic for a smiley)