US Coverup of Me-262 Mach Flight

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Someday the real history of Mach flight will be revealed as well as
the German disc aircraft programs of the Third Reich; that is,
whenever the US declassifies that info... or until 2020.
I'll wait it out just so people like Gordon and Al Minyard will have
to admit they were wrong. Can't wait until the first photos surface
of these craft in flight and/or the acknowledgement that the Me-262
broke the sound barrier first in 1945.
Who will be red-faced then with embarassment and humiliation?

Rob

Am I the only guy around here who finds these rants a bit reminiscent
of the Dr. Strangelove character?

Brooks

"Mein Furher! I can VALK!"

LOL! Exactly, complete with attempts to restrain his own right arm and
beating it about...

Brooks

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Subject: US Coverup of Me-262 Mach Flight
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 9/25/03 11:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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Third Reich; that is,
whenever the US declassifies that info... or until 2020.
I'll wait it out just so people like Gordon and Al Minyard will have
to admit they were wrong. Can't wait until the first photos surface of
these craft in flight and/or the acknowledgement that the Me-262 broke
the sound barrier first in 1945.
Who will be red-faced then with embarassment and humiliation?

Rob


Your wild dreams on Nazi glory are just that.and nothing more.The Nazi swine
were ground into the dust leaving Germany a smoking burning ruin and a
disgrace to all humankind. I think you fit quite well into that world.You were
just born too late to die for Nazi glory to your everlasting regret.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Wild dreams? And WHOSE dreams were they that got America to the moon?
Hint: Saturn V rocket which was Von Braun's baby.
You're just ****ed off Art that what became the USAF postwar has lied
and covered-up hundreds of tons of secret documents and recovered
aircraft prototypes that were far more advanced than the Me-262.
That's why that stuff is still classified because those craft are
directly linked to our most black projects.
Hell, if Hap Arnold would not allow Howard Hughes to enter his slick
high-performance Me-262 in the air trophy races postwar (for fear of
the Nazi machine winning the race) then there is definately no way the
USAF could reveal that the Nazis invented some form of advanced disc
craft that flew beyond anything we had in inventory at the time.
The same applies today with the exception of the USAF officially
admitting the Germans did have disc prototypes back in the late 1990s
but offering absolutely no photos nor data on said aircraft. Just a
small admission that they had them and a quick statement about them
being prototypes that were unstable. That was almost a decade ago and
we still don't get to see anything. What is the USAF hiding? Why is it
so important to keep German disc aircraft from 1945 classified if
indeed these craft never flew, were tethered, or unstable? The truth
is that these machines held technology that was beyond what any of the
Allies expected and it probably took the US the better part of 5
decades to duplicate and improve on the German machines.
But someday the truth will be revealed and I wonder what you will say
then... except "we won WW2"... and how the "B-26 saved us all". Same
old Art, same old story. I hope than when you die they bury some of
that old scrap metal with you so you'll feel right at home.

Rob

Subject: US Coverup of Me-262 Mach Flight
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 9/26/03 5:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time

But someday the truth will be revealed an

The truth is already revealed and you Krauts are out of the loop. Way out. You
bumblers couldn't even build a jet engine that worked. (sheesh)



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
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Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38
would have made this "record" in 1941.


Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever
exceeded the speed of sound in any attitude.

I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that a P-51
could do it.

Don't think so. Yeager knows better than this believe me. But I'm sure what
he did say could easily have been mistaken , as he has discussed high mach
dives in prop fighters on many occasions.
Sometimes during these "discussions", listening to Yeager speak.... it's
entirely possible to come away with a mistaken impression unless you are
listening VERY closely to what he's saying. That "drawl" of his kind of sits
in your ears and floats around there for a while before it either enters
your brain or gets spit out :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
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Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38
would have made this "record" in 1941.


Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever
exceeded the speed of sound in any attitude.

I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that
a P-51 could do it.

Don't think so. Yeager knows better than this believe me. But I'm
sure what he did say could easily have been mistaken , as he has
discussed high mach dives in prop fighters on many occasions.
Sometimes during these "discussions", listening to Yeager speak....
it's entirely possible to come away with a mistaken impression unless
you are listening VERY closely to what he's saying. That "drawl" of
his kind of sits in your ears and floats around there for a while
before it either enters your brain or gets spit out :-)

I double-checked; Yeager said he'd gotten his P51 to Mach .7 in a dive.

Sorry for the confusion.

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"Bill Silvey" wrote:

I double-checked; Yeager said he'd gotten his P51 to Mach .7 in a dive.

Big Whoop! I can CRUISE at mach .07 in straight_and_level.

-Mike (chek 6) Marron

(robert arndt)

wrote:You're just ****ed off Art that what became the USAF postwar has lied
and covered-up hundreds of tons of secret documents and recovered
aircraft prototypes that were far more advanced than the Me-262.

Yeah, and they invented headcheese too!

VL

"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
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I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that a P-51
could do it.


If he said that he's wrong, but I doubt he said it.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Some reports suggest it did.


Examined and proven false years ago.

"MLenoch" wrote in message
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(robert arndt)

wrote:You're just ****ed off Art that what became the USAF postwar has
lied
and covered-up hundreds of tons of secret documents and recovered
aircraft prototypes that were far more advanced than the Me-262.

Yeah, and they invented headcheese too!

VL

Not bad Vlado....not bad!! :-)))
Dudley