P-51's, Aces: A Special Gathering

Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 8:11?pm, J a c k wrote:
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Few aircraft are as legendary as the P-51. The aircraft and the
pilots who flew them during WWII are disappearing.

"Legendary"? Ever hear of the Spitfire and Me Bf 109 plus Fw-190 that
preceded it?

He said "few" not "no," didn't he? Stop being so sensitive.


Well, aside from the Spitfire, those others are for losers. Dems de facks.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

On Aug 21, 5:21?pm, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
wrote:
Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 8:11?pm, J a c k wrote:
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Few aircraft are as legendary as the P-51. The aircraft and the
pilots who flew them during WWII are disappearing.

"Legendary"? Ever hear of the Spitfire and Me Bf 109 plus Fw-190 that
preceded it?

He said "few" not "no," didn't he? Stop being so sensitive.

Well, aside from the Spitfire, those others are for losers. Dems de facks.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

The facts are that the Me Bf 109 is the gretest killing a/c in history
with the most kills and aces made. It lived on beyond its Third Reich
1935-45 timeframe too.

Mort, you are a loser.

Rob

On Aug 21, 8:40?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
The facts are that the Me Bf 109 is the gretest killing a/c in history
with the most kills and aces made.

However did they lose the war?

It lived on beyond its Third Reich 1935-45 timeframe too.

Nearly losing the war for the Israelis. Thank God for the Spitfire,
eh?

On Aug 21, 5:48?pm, tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 21, 8:40?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:

The facts are that the Me Bf 109 is the gretest killing a/c in history
with the most kills and aces made.

However did they lose the war?

It lived on beyond its Third Reich 1935-45 timeframe too.

Nearly losing the war for the Israelis. Thank God for the Spitfire,
eh?

So what Tom? Is that all you got? What excuse does the unbombed
continental US Arsenal of Democracy have for not producing all better
a/c that should have surpassed the Me Bf 109, the German jets, and all
their advanced designs that the Allies used postwar in windtunnel
data, prototypes, and some operational a/c?

The US best ace, Richard Bong, flew a Lightning in the PTO and was
killed by a XP-80. Where are all your P-51 Mustang aces to compare
with the German Experten on lethal 109s? They weren't ****- they only
held air superiority in numbers. Hell, even the primitive Russians
kicked the US aces asses with more kills in inferior a/c.

**** the P-51... it wasn't even **** until the redesigned D-Model
anyway and the Me Bf 109Gs and Ks were not obsolete in 1945... just
outnumbered 11-to-1 in the air.

Hartmann, the ace of aces, said that the Mustang was nothing special.
I concur wholeheartedly.

Even Italians and Romanians shot down Mustangs...

Ponder that Tommy-boy.

Rob

On Aug 21, 5:48?pm, tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 21, 8:40?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:

The facts are that the Me Bf 109 is the gretest killing a/c in history
with the most kills and aces made.

However did they lose the war?

It lived on beyond its Third Reich 1935-45 timeframe too.

Nearly losing the war for the Israelis. Thank God for the Spitfire,
eh?

Get your history right Tom... the S-199s that Israel got did their job
well from May-Oct 1948 despite lack of numbers and poor Israeli
maintenance.

http://www.geocities.com/capecanaver...8/fighter1.htm

So, they were replaced with better Spits and Mustangs in the long run.
The Avia S-199 Czech surplus manufactures along with the inexperienced
Israeli pilots are definately not the same as German 109G and Ks
operated by Luftwaffe Experten... or are you that stupid???

Yet they performed well enough to halt many Arab attacks and were
Israels first fighters. So they have their place in history.

Nothing you can say can detract from that.

Rob

Rob

On Aug 21, 9:12?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 21, 5:48?pm, tomcervo wrote:

On Aug 21, 8:40?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:

The facts are that the Me Bf 109 is the gretest killing a/c in history
with the most kills and aces made.

However did they lose the war?

It lived on beyond its Third Reich 1935-45 timeframe too.

Nearly losing the war for the Israelis. Thank God for the Spitfire,
eh?

So what Tom? Is that all you got? What excuse does the unbombed
continental US Arsenal of Democracy have for not producing all better
a/c that should have surpassed the Me Bf 109, the German jets, and all
their advanced designs that the Allies used postwar in windtunnel
data, prototypes, and some operational a/c?

The US best ace, Richard Bong, flew a Lightning in the PTO and was
killed by a XP-80. Where are all your P-51 Mustang aces to compare
with the German Experten on lethal 109s? They weren't ****- they only
held air superiority in numbers. Hell, even the primitive Russians
kicked the US aces asses with more kills in inferior a/c.

**** the P-51... it wasn't even **** until the redesigned D-Model
anyway and the Me Bf 109Gs and Ks were not obsolete in 1945... just
outnumbered 11-to-1 in the air.

Hartmann, the ace of aces, said that the Mustang was nothing special.
I concur wholeheartedly.

Even Italians and Romanians shot down Mustangs...

Ponder that Tommy-boy.

Rob

And yet they lost the war. Ponder that.

On Aug 21, 9:24?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
So, they were replaced with better Spits and Mustangs in the long run.
The Avia S-199 Czech surplus manufactures along with the inexperienced
Israeli pilots are definately not the same as German 109G and Ks
operated by Luftwaffe Experten... or are you that stupid???

Yet they performed well enough to halt many Arab attacks and were
Israels first fighters. So they have their place in history.

Nothing you can say can detract from that.

Rob

I don't need to: the Czechs said it all when they gave the S-199 the
nickname "Mule". Real ringing endorsement of its flying qualities.
Fortunately, the Israelis hired a squadron of ex-RAF and USAAF
volunteers who could fly anything.

On Aug 21, 9:24?pm, tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 21, 9:24?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:

So, they were replaced with better Spits and Mustangs in the long run.
The Avia S-199 Czech surplus manufactures along with the inexperienced
Israeli pilots are definately not the same as German 109G and Ks
operated by Luftwaffe Experten... or are you that stupid???

Yet they performed well enough to halt many Arab attacks and were
Israels first fighters. So they have their place in history.

Nothing you can say can detract from that.

Rob

I don't need to: the Czechs said it all when they gave the S-199 the
nickname "Mule". Real ringing endorsement of its flying qualities.
Fortunately, the Israelis hired a squadron of ex-RAF and USAAF
volunteers who could fly anything.

Well, Israel tells a different story and the Czech history is not
Israeli history- especially when talking about the rebirth of Israel
in 1948.

Sorry Tom, but you are proven wrong... or do I have to list all the
succesful engagements that saved Israel?

Rob

On Aug 21, 9:20?pm, tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 21, 9:12?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:





On Aug 21, 5:48?pm, tomcervo wrote:

On Aug 21, 8:40?pm, Rob Arndt wrote:

The facts are that the Me Bf 109 is the gretest killing a/c in history
with the most kills and aces made.

However did they lose the war?

It lived on beyond its Third Reich 1935-45 timeframe too.

Nearly losing the war for the Israelis. Thank God for the Spitfire,
eh?

So what Tom? Is that all you got? What excuse does the unbombed
continental US Arsenal of Democracy have for not producing all better
a/c that should have surpassed the Me Bf 109, the German jets, and all
their advanced designs that the Allies used postwar in windtunnel
data, prototypes, and some operational a/c?

The US best ace, Richard Bong, flew a Lightning in the PTO and was
killed by a XP-80. Where are all your P-51 Mustang aces to compare
with the German Experten on lethal 109s? They weren't ****- they only
held air superiority in numbers. Hell, even the primitive Russians
kicked the US aces asses with more kills in inferior a/c.

**** the P-51... it wasn't even **** until the redesigned D-Model
anyway and the Me Bf 109Gs and Ks were not obsolete in 1945... just
outnumbered 11-to-1 in the air.

Hartmann, the ace of aces, said that the Mustang was nothing special.
I concur wholeheartedly.

Even Italians and Romanians shot down Mustangs...

Ponder that Tommy-boy.

Rob

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Ponder this Tom- NO USAF OR ANY OTHER NATIONAL AF PILOT WILL EVER BEAT
HARTMANN'S SCORE OR THE SCORES OF MANY GERMAN ACES FROM THE 100 MARK
UP. I DOUBT ANY USAF PILOT WILL EVER BEAT THE RED KNIGHT'S SCORE OF 80
FROM WW 1. THEY CERTAINLY DID NOT IN WW2 OR ANY WAR THEREAFTER!

40 is a pathetic number in terms of German ace scores.

Rob

tomcervo wrote:

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And yet they lost the war. Ponder that.

Details, details!

:-)

Cheers