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Old September 23rd 07, 11:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Jim Macklin
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There are some airplanes that are easy to load outside the
flight envelope. Many multiengine airplanes are designed to
carry passengers and baggage. With only the front seats
occupied, some ballast in the rear can be essential.

You should read some FAR 23 on flight control forces
allowed.

I have a few thousand hours teaching in multiengine aircraft
and just flying charter and delivery, from Piper Aztecs,
Beech Duchess and Barons, Dukes, King Ai r 90, 200 and 300.
Jet time is in the Beechjet 400, trust me, your life can
depend on your being able to push and pull the controls to
the limit with one leg or one hand.



"Michelle P"
wrote in message ...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| Be careful with using the electric trim to flare.
Assuming
| that the airplane is properly loaded with the CG within
the
| range, the elevator forces required between an approach
| speed of 1.3 Vso and the flare should be slight. Do a
W&B
| for your landing configuration, be sure to check for an
| items stowed in a forward baggage area and for fuel.
|
| The problem that WILL happen is at some point you will
gave
| to go-around, that means you will need a hand on the
power
| and you will REALLY need two hands on the elevator
because
| the electric trim isn't fast enough, you will have a
sudden
| need to hold the nose down, will loose A/S, perhaps even
| stall, then the real bad thing can happen, en engine
| failure, Vmc and spin at 100 AGL.
|
| Do some exercise with weights, it is safer.
|
| there are some planes that are just nose heavy.


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Old September 25th 07, 02:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Michelle P
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Default Going for my Multiengine rating

Jim Macklin wrote:
There are some airplanes that are easy to load outside the
flight envelope. Many multiengine airplanes are designed to
carry passengers and baggage. With only the front seats
occupied, some ballast in the rear can be essential.

You should read some FAR 23 on flight control forces
allowed.

I have a few thousand hours teaching in multiengine aircraft
and just flying charter and delivery, from Piper Aztecs,
Beech Duchess and Barons, Dukes, King Ai r 90, 200 and 300.
Jet time is in the Beechjet 400, trust me, your life can
depend on your being able to push and pull the controls to
the limit with one leg or one hand.


I bow to your godliness..almighty one.
Michelle
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Old September 25th 07, 06:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
The Visitor[_2_]
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Default Going for my Multiengine rating

My Seneca is. So I don't use full flaps unless there is some aft weight.
Without anything in the back, the cg is almost at the front limit. Just
"two notches". To flare nice with full flaps invites a tail stall. Very
common and I was taught, that is why there is the abundance of nose gear
collapses in the type. Because the pounding the nose gear is given.
Rolling in nose up trim makes things easier. It is just done when over
the numbers, entering a flare.

John

Michelle P wrote:

Jim Macklin wrote:

Be careful with using the electric trim to flare. Assuming
that the airplane is properly loaded with the CG within the
range, the elevator forces required between an approach
speed of 1.3 Vso and the flare should be slight. Do a W&B
for your landing configuration, be sure to check for an
items stowed in a forward baggage area and for fuel.

The problem that WILL happen is at some point you will gave
to go-around, that means you will need a hand on the power
and you will REALLY need two hands on the elevator because
the electric trim isn't fast enough, you will have a sudden
need to hold the nose down, will loose A/S, perhaps even
stall, then the real bad thing can happen, en engine
failure, Vmc and spin at 100 AGL.

Do some exercise with weights, it is safer.

there are some planes that are just nose heavy.


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Old October 5th 07, 08:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Greg Esres[_2_]
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The Visitor wrote:

To flare nice with full flaps invites a tail stall.

Not likely. You will lose elevator authority, but the AOA gets
smaller as the tail moves down.

why there is the abundance of nose gear collapses in the type.

Actually, there is an AD out on the Seneca nose gear. The collapses
are generally due to misrigging of the airplane. Friend of mine has a
nosewheel collapse after a full stall, nose high landing.


 




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