A Sad Accident

On 10 Oct, 20:06, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
Story on icing conditions possibly being behind the crash:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/st...-cessna_proble...

That story reads as if it were written by Cessna's competitors. It makes it
sound as if it's Cessna's fault if someone crashes after flying into icing
conditions. It creates the impression that an airplane that cannot fly
continuously in icing conditions is somehow defective and that the
manufacturer needs to warn pilots about the dangers of the aircraft.

This is very different from the notion of it being a very bad idea for any
pilot to flying into icing conditions, with or without an airplane certified
to enter them (and continuous flight in icing conditions is not the same as
being able to tolerate them briefly).


How would you know fjukkwit?


You don't fly.


Bertie

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Story on icing conditions possibly being behind the crash:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/st...1554abe71.html

Isn't 10 onboard a Malabu a bit much, with parachutes for even more weight?
--
Jim in NC

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:06:09 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:


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Story on icing conditions possibly being behind the crash:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/st...1554abe71.html

Isn't 10 onboard a Malabu a bit much, with parachutes for even more weight?

Where did it say it was a Malibu?

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"Morgans" wrote:

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Story on icing conditions possibly being behind the crash:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/st..._problems.1554
abe71.html

Isn't 10 onboard a Malabu a bit much, with parachutes for even more weight?

Aircraft was a Cessna 208B Caravan. That airplane routinely hauls 18 or
19 jumpers.

I was just going to post a correction, because the last news I saw said that
the tail had not been found. The sheriff described the accident scene as
pretty much a lawn dart, although he didn't use those words....60 by 100
feet.

Bob Gardner

"Dale" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Bob Gardner" wrote:

Freefall is a lot different than being pinned in a pile of bodies in the
aft
end of the cabin by acceleration forces. I doubt that they were even able
to
move, once the dive began.


I understand that, IF they were out of control. I descended at
3000-4000fpm in a 206 and kept the engine warm. It wouldn't be
unreasonable to think they could reach 7000fpm without being out of
control...although it does sound like a spiral descent with inflight
breakup. I'm reading they found the tail section some distance away.
Not the way I want to die.

On Oct 10, 7:55 pm, "Bob Gardner" wrote:
I was just going to post a correction, because the last news I saw said that
the tail had not been found. The sheriff described the accident scene as
pretty much a lawn dart, although he didn't use those words....60 by 100
feet.

Bob Gardner

"Dale" wrote in message

...

In article ,
"Bob Gardner" wrote:

Freefall is a lot different than being pinned in a pile of bodies in the
aft
end of the cabin by acceleration forces. I doubt that they were even able
to
move, once the dive began.

I understand that, IF they were out of control. I descended at
3000-4000fpm in a 206 and kept the engine warm. It wouldn't be
unreasonable to think they could reach 7000fpm without being out of
control...although it does sound like a spiral descent with inflight
breakup. I'm reading they found the tail section some distance away.
Not the way I want to die.

The Caravan does not carry ice well. There's an airworthiness
directive against it for that reason. See
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...7?OpenDocument

Dan

"Peter Clark" wrote

Where did it say it was a Malibu?

My bad. I thought I heard that is what it was. It was a Caravan?
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
"Bob Gardner" wrote:

I was just going to post a correction, because the last news I saw said that
the tail had not been found. The sheriff described the accident scene as
pretty much a lawn dart, although he didn't use those words....60 by 100
feet.


I saw that same Sheriff quoted as saying the aircraft impacted at "70
mph". G

He filed a VFR flight plan, cheating the media out of an opportunity to
blame the crash on the lack of a flight plan, and didn't pop up for an IFR
clearance. White Pass, five miles from the crash site, was reporting 33
degrees F.

Bob Gardner

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Story on icing conditions possibly being behind the crash:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/st...1554abe71.html

On 2007-10-09 13:05:28 -0700, "Allen" said:



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On Oct 9, 10:52 am, RL Anderson wrote:
Greetings All,

Thought I'd pass on that there has been a horrific crash this past
Sunday (7 Oct). There was a Caravan used for skydiving, with 10 people
aboard, traveling between Star Idaho and Shelton Washington. The
airplane went down in the general vicinity of White Pass, a 4500 foot
mountain pass on US 12, located on the boundary of Yakima and Lewis
Counties, in the South Central Washington Cascade Mountains. According
to local news, no survivors have been found. I am acquainted with
several skydivers and some of the other folks at the aircraft owner,
Skydive Kapowsin. I hope that none of the folks I know are involved.

Here are some links to the story.

http://www.herald-republic.com/page/dis/290013970261411
http://www.herald-republic.com/page/dis/290013901892319

Pass on as you see fit.

Rick

Do you have any idea what the weather was like at the time of the
crash? Why was he so low? Was he scud running?

I was thinking that if it had been an engine failure at altitude, the
passenges would have bailed out with their chutes, given that they
were experienced skydivers.


The tail section was not with the main wreckage and as of last night had not
been found. In-flight break-up? That would explain the three missing
jumpers too.

The news reports that the tail section was missing were erroneous. The
tail section was found with the rest of the plane.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor