For those still insisting that France has always been our friend...

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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"If Gen. Boykin had been caught giving talks to NAMBLA instead of
church
groups, Democrats would be hailing him as a patriot for exercising his
First Amendment rights." Ann Coulter

Come on, you can't be stupid enough to believe bull**** like that.

Believe it, Tim!

Damn, reading you saying something like that is really disappointing.

tim gueguen 101867

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:47:51 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

Obviously you don't live in a university community. (Perhaps, instead
of saying "Democrats", the poster should have said "the Good People".)

I do live in a university community... or at least a college
community... and it's still bull****. Apparently, Ann Coulter is
engaged in a social experiment, trying to find a lie so filthy that
even people who quote her is a .sig file won't believe it. Evidently,
she hasn't found one yet.

Scott

tim gueguen wrote in message
news:yYUmb.190644$6C4.156042@pd7tw1no...

"tscottme" wrote in message
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"If Gen. Boykin had been caught giving talks to NAMBLA instead of
church
groups, Democrats would be hailing him as a patriot for exercising
his
First Amendment rights." Ann Coulter

Come on, you can't be stupid enough to believe bull**** like that.

tim gueguen 101867

Good point, there's probably no circumstance in which the Democrats
would defend a white, male, military officer, short of his collaborating
with the enemy.

--

Scott
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"If Gen. Boykin had been caught giving talks to NAMBLA instead of church
groups, Democrats would be hailing him as a patriot for exercising his
First Amendment rights." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/102203.htm

Good point, there's probably no circumstance in which the Democrats
would defend a white, male, military officer, short of his collaborating
with the enemy.

There is at least a fair chance that they will nominate one.

Circumstances alter cases. In 1992 I was doing the New Hampshire
Primary thing and bumped into my favorite liberal. I offered a pact: I
would write Colin Powell's name into the Republican ballot if she
would do the same on the Democratic one. She said: "Oh! I could
*never* vote for a military man!"

She is now the town chairman for Wesley Clark.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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In message , tscottme
writes
tim gueguen wrote in message
news:yYUmb.190644$6C4.156042@pd7tw1no...
Come on, you can't be stupid enough to believe bull**** like that.

Good point, there's probably no circumstance in which the Democrats
would defend a white, male, military officer, short of his collaborating
with the enemy.

Unless he's running for the Democratic nomination?

Don't hold much of a brief for Wesley Clark, but last time I looked he
was white, male, and had been a military officer of some seniority.


I hear soundbites running ahead of common sense, which is an apolitical
malady afflicting enthusiasts of all sides.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"tscottme" wrote in message ...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=6976

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics (I
know its hard to beleive but with a worse attitude). The French are
silenced by the prevailing multicrapism ideology and frightened of
dealing in the world as a proud and independant nation. The Ghost of
Americas future perhaps?

They fear either terrorism on their soil or an electoral backlash.
The muslims have sufficient ethnic consciousness and social cohesion
to achieve that while White westerners are wrecked by self doubt,
guilt and politically correct self loathing that drips like venom form
the parasite infected media and institutions of education.

Here is a far more hard hitting version of what is REALLY going on (in
English):

Avant-Guer Chronique d'un cataclysme annoncé
(Pre-War: Account of an Impending Cataclysm)
http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no2/mo-worldwara.html

Ironically it was Jean Marie Le Penn who could have changed all that
but he was anti immigration and the lunar left and white hating nazi
baiters prefer the corrupt and pathetic Quisling right winger Chirac
to someone that might preserve an European nation, and prevent its
ethnocide as an European nation.

"The Enlightenment" a écrit dans le message de news:
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"tscottme" wrote in message
...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=6976

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics (I
know its hard to beleive but with a worse attitude). The French are
silenced by the prevailing multicrapism ideology and frightened of
dealing in the world as a proud and independant nation. The Ghost of
Americas future perhaps?

They fear either terrorism on their soil or an electoral backlash.
The muslims have sufficient ethnic consciousness and social cohesion
to achieve that while White westerners are wrecked by self doubt,
guilt and politically correct self loathing that drips like venom form
the parasite infected media and institutions of education.

Here is a far more hard hitting version of what is REALLY going on (in
English):

Avant-Guer Chronique d'un cataclysme annoncé
(Pre-War: Account of an Impending Cataclysm)
http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no2/mo-worldwara.html

Ironically it was Jean Marie Le Penn who could have changed all that
but he was anti immigration and the lunar left and white hating nazi
baiters prefer the corrupt and pathetic Quisling right winger Chirac
to someone that might preserve an European nation, and prevent its
ethnocide as an European nation.

Guillaume Faye, the man mentionned in the article linked above, is a
far-right ideologyst, with open tied to european NEO-NAZI parties.
You can use him as a reference, but at your own peril.
For an *Enlightenment" you seem pretty narrow minded and racist (or a plain
red-necked biggot?).
I'm sorry I you're shocked by these words but if you defend Faye's and
LePen's ideas that all you are.
If you really know what ideas they defend, of course.
--
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Pierre-Henri BARAS

Co-webmaster de French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net
Encyclopédie de l'Aviation sur le web
http://www.aviation-fr.info

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote in message ...
"The Enlightenment" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
"tscottme" wrote in message
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=6976

SNIP

Avant-Guer Chronique d'un cataclysme annoncé
(Pre-War: Account of an Impending Cataclysm)
http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no2/mo-worldwara.html

Ironically it was Jean Marie Le Penn who could have changed all that
but he was anti immigration and the lunar left and white hating nazi
baiters prefer the corrupt and pathetic Quisling right winger Chirac
to someone that might preserve an European nation, and prevent its
ethnocide as an European nation.

Guillaume Faye, the man mentionned in the article linked above, is a
far-right ideologyst, with open tied to european NEO-NAZI parties.
You can use him as a reference, but at your own peril.

Yeah well he's right wing, anti-immigration and anti-ethnocide
1/ Nothing wrong with that.
2/ Eventualy some sliming cockcroach will try and add the Nazi label
to anyone with any one of those views.

For an *Enlightenment" you seem pretty narrow minded and racist (or a plain
red-necked biggot?).

I prefer the term "race realist", I am a student of "human
biodiveristy".

I am a pan european White activist. My purpose is to defend the
diverse White peoples of the world who originated in Europe against
slander, villfications and to give them a right to speak with a voice
as a White Person the same as Blacks and Jews can without being
attacked. White people have the right to express their unique
cultural and ethnic heritage and they have some right to live in
nations in which they are not "Kurdified".

I find myself substantialy in agreement with Stanley Womaks Resisting
Defamations web site: http://www.resistingdefamation.org/

I'm sorry I you're shocked by these words but if you defend Faye's and
LePen's ideas that all you are.

I'm not shocked by any of the deluded labels and slack thinking
politically correct nutters can come up with anymore.

One day you will learn to debate or make substantive points instead of
attempting to project labels on the the unknown as "Nazi" or "racist"
or "redeck". (Incidently I am probably more educated than you)

I'm trying to save your French ass as well.

If you really know what ideas they defend, of course.

One of Le Penn's ideas was to prevent donations of Saudi and other
middle eastern nations money to Mosques in France as long as this was
also prevented form erecting churches in their countries.

Sounds good to me and eminently more sensible for any western nation
then any of the ideas the treasonous elites running France now have.
I don't know all of LePenns or Faye's ideas and I don't believe I
agree with all but I could go with them.

Having seen what parts of France have become and how it is continuing
wish it had of happened years ago.

2-3 years ago I would have described myself as left wing or liberal.
I'm now happy to be a White Racialist and please no such terms as
"hater" or "supremacist"

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics (I
know its hard to beleive but with a worse attitude). The French are
silenced by the prevailing multicrapism ideology and frightened of
dealing in the world as a proud and independant nation. The Ghost of
Americas future perhaps?

Well, the Hispanics are mostly Roman Catholic

Still, your point is worth taking. While American Muslims are far from
being the homogeneous group you'll find in France (I presume they're
most Algerian-French, or at least with ties to North Africa), Islam
has indeed made remarkable gains in the U.S. In part this is because
of the Black Muslim movement of the 1960s. Many if not a majority of
U.S. Muslims are African-American, and of those, many if not a
majority were baptized as children. It will be interesting to see how
this plays out.

The U.S. of course has had considerable experience with diverse
populations--that's how the country was fashioned. And we don't have a
situation where 90 percent of the population is of European origin and
10 percent North African / Muslim. California is already a state
without a majority ethnic group. The U.S. as a whole will get there
eventually. Indeed, if the "melting pot" hadn't worked so well in
earlier generations, we would have been there almost from the
beginning. Both my parents were born in Ireland. I have no relatives
in the U.S. except my immediate family. I hold Irish and American
passports and citizenship. My only child is married to an Englishman;
my granddaughters hold British and American passports. Yet I feel
perfectly at home here.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

While there may be some good points about the current ethnic makeup of
the population of France, I think the real reason France does what is
does...is because it's French!

France is just France, it always has been. France has not been exactly
what I'd call a "Western Nation" since post World War II, but their
problem is where they beleive they should be on the world stage...and
in Iraq's business.

They hate the British because the French think they are bourgeois and
stupid (as they think about the U.S.), and the Brits lately have sided
with US World Politics...the French do not like having to listen to
the British/U.S. rhetoric. They hate the Germans because,
well...that's fairly obvious...but they are now the "strange
bedfellows." But both countries have a lot of debt tied up in Iraq,
and their own economies could continue to use the trade boost they
would have if THEY were the preemminent powers dealing with Iraq.

The French want to be in the arena of World Politics on their own
terms, and they do not want to be out of the limelight...it also
doesn't hurt that an incursion into Iraq would distrub the trade they
have established with that country, and the possibility of having the
debt Iraq has with France being repaid...and maybe they sold some
things to Iraq that a lot of folks might not be too pleased about.

Everyone wants in on Iraq's recovery because it's economy is based on
oil which can always produce fast hard currency; but, no one wants the
mess that goes with it. So here we are.

Bottomline: The Coalition invaded, removed Saddam from power, and now
we have a industrialized country with a ravaged infrastructure wrought
not just by the two wars but by years and years of sanctions and gross
mismanagement by Saddam and his cronies. Now who will help the Iraqis
to help themselves out of the hole they are currently in? Who can
afford to help them? Can we afford not to help them?

Simple answer really. It just has to be done, the UN and the EU should
chip in and do their part but the bulk of the aid and assistance will
have to come from the U.S. as usual. Now we could back off a bit on
our rhetoric about the U.S. running the entire show 'casue you get
more bees with honey than with vinegar, yes? So if all involved would
back off their extreme positions just a bit maybe the Iraqi people
might not suffer so much more, and maybe they'd lead us to even more
of these cowards who are running around blowing up cars...although I
think soon the Iraqi people will have had enough of that crap anyway.
The thing is...who will they really blame for the bombings? Us or the
terrorists?

Time will tell.

DJ