T-33 Down

"MLenoch" wrote
"Gene Storey"

wrote: I've also questioned why we had to kill them
one by one, instead of wholesale like Col Tibbets did.


Can I sell this line to Oliver Stone? It would sound great in one of his
bizzare movies.
Thx in advance,
VL

Get what you can, while you can...

We used to say "If I was a Colonel, this battle would have been over
10 years ago. Alas, we are Privates."

Flying a T-33 is sort-of like driving an old Dodge truck. Pretty boring
until you get one sideways, going downhill, on a sheet of ice. Then you
start crying for your mama. But with a good size bag of marshmallows,
the fire is quite charming, and old stories are told with a slap on the knee...

"Gene Storey"

wrote:Flying a T-33 is sort-of like driving an old Dodge truck.

Man, you've got that right!
Definately a '53 Dodge to boot.
VL

Oct. 26, 1964 Cpt. Billie Joe Myhand died ejecting from a T-33.
Instructor pilot. Buried at Arlington. God bless and RIP, Billie Joe.
RIP. Same for this Dr. Better get right, people.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
"Gene Storey" wrote:

Probably an airstrike against the trailer-trash gone bad.

I hope the Homeland Defense can sort out this blatant attack by Canada!

In all the years I flew professionally and watched people I knew die in
airplanes, including some very close to me personally, I never quite
understood how a human being, totally unrelated to an incident and simply a
spectator or the receiver of news; nothing else; could arrive on the scene
after someone had been killed and offer to the world a sentiment as totally
thoughtless and downright cruel as you have done here.

My sentiments exactly, Dud. But then, aren't your sentiments below
equally as "thoughtless and downright cruel" as Genes?

From: Dudley Henriques )
Subject: 40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Date: 2003-11-01 13:31:51 PST

Or perhaps instead, we can just put Mike into the box, assume a
superposition, and then the whole lot of us can go out and have a
drink because none of us really give a **** whether Mike's dead
or NOT!!! :-)))

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
...
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
"Gene Storey" wrote:

Probably an airstrike against the trailer-trash gone bad.

I hope the Homeland Defense can sort out this blatant attack by Canada!

In all the years I flew professionally and watched people I knew die in
airplanes, including some very close to me personally, I never quite
understood how a human being, totally unrelated to an incident and simply
a
spectator or the receiver of news; nothing else; could arrive on the
scene
after someone had been killed and offer to the world a sentiment as
totally
thoughtless and downright cruel as you have done here.

My sentiments exactly, Dud. But then, aren't your sentiments below
equally as "thoughtless and downright cruel" as Genes?

From: Dudley Henriques )
Subject: 40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Date: 2003-11-01 13:31:51 PST

Or perhaps instead, we can just put Mike into the box, assume a
superposition, and then the whole lot of us can go out and have a
drink because none of us really give a **** whether Mike's dead
or NOT!!! :-)))

Hardly. The reference to you being dead was simply an obvious pairing with
"Schrodinger's cat", where the possible death of the cat is a well know
issue in Physics. "Giving a **** about it" is simply a personal option on a
parody, NOT a comment on an actual event.
I can assure you in the abstract that if you actually had died, I don't
believe any of us here on RAM would feel the need to post something as cruel
and thoughtless as did the poster being discussed here now, which was a
comment expressed on an actual event.
I hope this clears up any "misunderstanding" you might have concerning this
issue, as it will be my only comment on it with you. If you pursue it any
further, you'll be talking to yourself or to someone else.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote:

My sentiments exactly, Dud. But then, aren't your sentiments below
equally as "thoughtless and downright cruel" as Genes?

From: Dudley Henriques )
Subject: 40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Date: 2003-11-01 13:31:51 PST

Or perhaps instead, we can just put Mike into the box, assume a
superposition, and then the whole lot of us can go out and have a
drink because none of us really give a **** whether Mike's dead
or NOT!!! :-)))

Hardly. The reference to you being dead was simply an obvious pairing with
"Schrodinger's cat", where the possible death of the cat is a well know
issue in Physics. "Giving a **** about it" is simply a personal option on a
parody, NOT a comment on an actual event.
I can assure you in the abstract that if you actually had died, I don't
believe any of us here on RAM would feel the need to post something as cruel
and thoughtless as did the poster being discussed here now, which was a
comment expressed on an actual event.

Thanks for clarifying. If nothing else, your comment about "not giving
a **** whether Mike's dead" was an indirect and meanspirited reference
to an actual event (e.g: the "Autocollimator" debacle). Now, I don't
have the first clue what Schrodinger's cat is all about, but if you're
so damn intelligent why did you insist that I was wrong about Kramer
having conversations with his imaginary playmate to puff up his ego
and to flame others anonymously? Or are you still out there with
Kramer in La La land and think his pathetic display of "arrested
development" never actually happened?

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:58:38 GMT, Paul Hirose wrote:

A fairly detailed article in the L.A. Daily News says the crashed
plane was a 1953 Canadair T-33, tail number N99192, and was based at
the Van Nuys airport. The pilot (believed to be a doctor, name
unknown) was the only person killed. One person on the ground suffered
minor burns.

Some witnesses reported seeing the plane "flip" after cresting a hill
near the trailer park, then dive into the ground.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...740969,00.html

TV reports say the area was cordoned off due to the danger from
ejection seat pyrotechnics.

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2604584/detail.html

Of course, US civil aircraft (which is what this was) are not
allowed to have ejection seats (IIRC). Can anyone with more
current knowledge advise?

Al

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:14:22 GMT, "Dudley Henriques" wrote:


"Tex Houston" wrote in message
...

"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
...
If you look at the rest of Mr. Storey's other recent posts, you should
not
be
surprized by this one. He is at least consistent.

Bob McKellar

Just this afternoon I had removed him from my 'Block Sender' list along
with
several others for whom I could not remember the reason for blocking. He
lasted less than thirty minutes.

Tex

Just some random comments on how things like this related to the airshow
scenario.

In the airshow business, and indeed in any scenario involving the use of
high performance airplanes, it's an unfortunate by product that the nature
of that scenario sometimes brings these roaches out of the woodwork. As I
said, thank God they're in the minority. In my experience,most seem to have
a common denominator; they're usually always spectators, not participants.
They watch what takes place with some kind of weird prurient interest,
waiting for something to go wrong. Then, with their interest satisfied, they
run home to tell everybody in sight "You'll NEVER guess what I just
saw??????"
In almost every case, these disgusting excuses for human beings are people
who are commenting about those who possess talent and ability that they
themselves will never know. During my tenure it was actually a joke around
the circuit that if one of us happened to dig a hole ten feet deep in the
middle of show because a control cable snapped, some moron who had
absolutely nothing in common with what had just happened other than the
sheer fact that he was present for the event would be out there by the wreck
before the body had been removed telling the whole f*****g world just what
it was we did wrong. God we hated these people! They're the kind who always
show up after the crash just in time to roast their marshmallows on the
burning wreckage!

Sounds just like "media" reporters

Al Minyard

In article ,
Alan Minyard wrote:



Of course, US civil aircraft (which is what this was) are not
allowed to have ejection seats (IIRC). Can anyone with more
current knowledge advise?


Says who? The Collings Foundation F4 Phantom has live ejection seats.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

Today the L.A. Daily News Web site has more information on the crash.

A bomb squad had to search the area for egress system pyrotechnics
before the victim recovery and investigation could begin. Apparently
they knew the T-33 had eight devices, and found all.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...742660,00.html

The dead pilot has been identified as Dan Lavigna, 62, a Tarzana
anesthesiologist. He was married and had four children.

According to the Daily News, Lavigna was the director of the Classic
Jet Aircraft Association. He kept the T-33 and a Hawker Hunter at the
Van Nuys airport.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...742692,00.html

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Paul Hirose
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