Joining the USAF

"Vee-One" wrote

Enlisted-ops. HA! I'll never forget the reaming that a SMSGT pro-super
gave a A1C who copped an attitude with the SSGT crew chief about the mess
they left on a jet post-flight. He went whined to his AC about it, and that
Captain tried to raise a fuss, instead of doing the right thing. That type
of leadership?

Nope, leadership is always about doing the right thing. Ass reaming is a
particular enlisted thing, and one I never paid much attention to. I figured
they just liked screaming at each other, because they didn't have a developed
vocabulary.

When I flew heavies, the last man off the jet was the mission commander, and
he'd empty the bus if the seat belts weren't in the same position we found them
on pre-flight. God help you if he found any FOD (coke cans, wrappers, etc),
or grease-pen markings left on your equipment. But this wasn't the kind of stuff
that we were paid to do, or excel in.

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
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"Vee-One" wrote

Enlisted-ops. HA! I'll never forget the reaming that a SMSGT pro-super
gave a A1C who copped an attitude with the SSGT crew chief about the
mess
they left on a jet post-flight. He went whined to his AC about it, and
that
Captain tried to raise a fuss, instead of doing the right thing. That
type
of leadership?

Nope, leadership is always about doing the right thing. Ass reaming is
a
particular enlisted thing, and one I never paid much attention to. I
figured
they just liked screaming at each other, because they didn't have a
developed
vocabulary.

When I flew heavies, the last man off the jet was the mission commander,
and
he'd empty the bus if the seat belts weren't in the same position we found
them
on pre-flight. God help you if he found any FOD (coke cans, wrappers,
etc),
or grease-pen markings left on your equipment. But this wasn't the kind
of stuff
that we were paid to do, or excel in.


OK, I'll agree that the difference between your paycheck and mine reflect
the difference in our job, and in the level of responsibility we were both
entrusted with. However, keeping a clean aircraft has nothing to do with
rank, but respect for the equipment and people who take care of it. You
wouldn't just drop an empty can on your living room floor and think "The
wife will get it, that's what she does", would you?

I guess that there will always be a difference in the way people think and
behave towards one another. I just hope that I don't **** off the next guy
too badly with my words......................

Peter

"Vee-One" wrote

OK, I'll agree that the difference between your paycheck and mine reflect
the difference in our job, and in the level of responsibility we were both
entrusted with. However, keeping a clean aircraft has nothing to do with
rank, but respect for the equipment and people who take care of it. You
wouldn't just drop an empty can on your living room floor and think "The
wife will get it, that's what she does", would you?

No, I was agreeing with you mostly. That there is a personal discipline that
must develop. I always had two sets of BDU's and Flight Suits. Those I
wore during the 24 hour C-141 ride to the war zone, and those I changed
into just before landing. I could care less if you had a spoon or a fork
sticking out your flight-suit where a pen or pencil should go, or that your
scarf and hat looked like you used it to wipe your ass. No, clean and
presentable costs very little, and I like sharp troops, and clean jets.

Gene, all I can say is your attitude really sucks and that your view of
maintenance types is severely skewed.

An ass reaming isn't "a particular enlisted thing" or even "a maintenance
thing". I can point my finger directly at certain officers (ops and
maintenance alike) who got their own asses reamed out, and even lost
jobs, because of their actions. I remember a pilot in a unit I used to be
with "lose his wings" after he flew an aircraft home from another
location with a known flight control problem. The DO (an ops officer) was
waiting on the ramp when the crew landed and ripped into him right then
and there. I know of other ops types get chewed out and even lose their
job over what they failed to do as well (e.g., not doing enough to
correct a problem).

When all is said and done, you're just another person in this world
destined to die someday just like me and everybody else here. There are
plenty of maintenance types who are not only educated, but may even be
more educated than you and quite a few other officers.

Bottom line is, you've got no class. You could put 100 of yourself
together and it still won't add up to enough class to meet the amount of
class carried by many other members (regardless of rank or what side of
the house they're on) on their own.

"Gene Storey" wrote in
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"Vee-One" wrote

Enlisted-ops. HA! I'll never forget the reaming that a SMSGT
pro-super gave a A1C who copped an attitude with the SSGT crew chief
about the mess they left on a jet post-flight. He went whined to his
AC about it, and that Captain tried to raise a fuss, instead of doing
the right thing. That type of leadership?

Nope, leadership is always about doing the right thing. Ass reaming
is a particular enlisted thing, and one I never paid much attention
to. I figured they just liked screaming at each other, because they
didn't have a developed vocabulary.

When I flew heavies, the last man off the jet was the mission
commander, and he'd empty the bus if the seat belts weren't in the
same position we found them on pre-flight. God help you if he found
any FOD (coke cans, wrappers, etc), or grease-pen markings left on
your equipment. But this wasn't the kind of stuff that we were paid
to do, or excel in.

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, jshmoe
blurted out:

I'd like to know what your opinion is on joining the US Air Force as
an officer and going to OTS. I'm considering going as an officer in a
technical field (not as a pilot).

Go for it...(sorry...I'm a pilot)

Is there any guarantee as to what position I might be working in,

Guarantee? "If their lips are moving, they must be..."

Will knowing Arabic increase my chances of admission?

I have a co-worker that is "contracting out" to the FBI and CIA for
his language skills.

You know, the general sort of questions that can
be asked to a recruiter, but without a clear, honest answer.

I'm sure you can appreciate that to the recruiter, you're just a
statistic, a quota.

Someone out there with experience doing same would help out a great deal

What do you want to do?

Juvat