Photos from Las Vegas Airshow with F/A-22 & F-35 JSF

Kirk Stant wrote:

(miso) wrote in message . com...
Is the F-35 really the X-35? I doubt Nellis has one on hand, so did it
fly in from Edwards? Anyway, it's nice you got too see it in the
daylight rather than in a dark hanger as was the case at Edwards.
[Hey, not that I'm complaining ....]

It looks like the F-35 mock-up, not the real thing. Way too clean!

Looks odd without a HUD - like a sports plane, not a fighter...(the
X-35s have a HUD, I believe).

Kirk

It is indeed one of two full scale mock-ups that LM Aero puts on
display, this is the latest one that was first seen at the Paris Air Show
earlier this year. The F-35 does not have a HUD.

Regards
Jim Barr

So it would still be the X-35, right?

I have a few photos from Edwards:
http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x355.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x354.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x353.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x352.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x351.jpg


J Barr wrote in message ...
Kirk Stant wrote:

(miso) wrote in message . com...
Is the F-35 really the X-35? I doubt Nellis has one on hand, so did it
fly in from Edwards? Anyway, it's nice you got too see it in the
daylight rather than in a dark hanger as was the case at Edwards.
[Hey, not that I'm complaining ....]

It looks like the F-35 mock-up, not the real thing. Way too clean!

Looks odd without a HUD - like a sports plane, not a fighter...(the
X-35s have a HUD, I believe).

Kirk

It is indeed one of two full scale mock-ups that LM Aero puts on
display, this is the latest one that was first seen at the Paris Air Show
earlier this year. The F-35 does not have a HUD.

Regards
Jim Barr

So it would still be the X-35, right?

No, wrong. It is not one of the X-35 prototypes. It is a full scale
model of the eventual F-35.

I've seen one of the F-35 mock-ups a few years ago. It looked rather
smart and quite convincing from a distance.
Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg



(miso) wrote in message . com...

Is the F-35 really the X-35? I doubt Nellis has one on hand, so did it
fly in from Edwards? Anyway, it's nice you got too see it in the
daylight rather than in a dark hanger as was the case at Edwards.
[Hey, not that I'm complaining ....]

It looks like the F-35 mock-up, not the real thing. Way too clean!

Looks odd without a HUD - like a sports plane, not a fighter...(the
X-35s have a HUD, I believe).

Kirk

It is indeed one of two full scale mock-ups that LM Aero puts on
display, this is the latest one that was first seen at the Paris Air Show
earlier this year. The F-35 does not have a HUD.

Regards
Jim Barr

J Barr wrote in message ...

It is indeed one of two full scale mock-ups that LM Aero puts on
display, this is the latest one that was first seen at the Paris Air Show
earlier this year. The F-35 does not have a HUD.

Anyone seen any pictures of the helmet display (hardware and displays)
that is going to be used in place of a more conventional HUD? Is is
related to the HMS that is being added to the F-15 (which has quite a
bit of symbology displayed compared to a simple "point the seeker"
HMS)?

Kirk

miso wrote:

So it would still be the X-35, right?

I have a few photos from Edwards:
http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x355.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x354.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x353.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x352.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x351.jpg

As Ralph and I stated, the photos that you posted are of a full scale mock-up
of the F-35 CTOL, not one of the two X-35 that were built as part of the JSF
competition. Or in the words of Monty Python " It's only a model". While it is
very close to what the F-35 lines are at this time, there have been some changes
from when it was finished; May of this year. There is another full-scale mock-up
that Lockheed Martin Aero has been showing for several years, but this one is
more up to date.

Regards
Jim Barr

What's up with the display in this mock-up. Is it for show, or training purposes?

J Barr wrote in message ...
miso wrote:

So it would still be the X-35, right?

I have a few photos from Edwards:
http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x355.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x354.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x353.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x352.jpg

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x351.jpg

As Ralph and I stated, the photos that you posted are of a full scale mock-up
of the F-35 CTOL, not one of the two X-35 that were built as part of the JSF
competition. Or in the words of Monty Python " It's only a model". While it is
very close to what the F-35 lines are at this time, there have been some changes
from when it was finished; May of this year. There is another full-scale mock-up
that Lockheed Martin Aero has been showing for several years, but this one is
more up to date.

Regards
Jim Barr

miso wrote:

What's up with the display in this mock-up. Is it for show, or training purposes?


snip

You mean the one on:

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x351.jpg


It depends on what the purpose of the mock-up is. I would tend to think
that it is primarily for show/ demonstration to potential
users/customers. Lockheed-Martin could of course show them computer
generated pictures of what the cockpit and displays will eventually look
like, but with a mock-up they can actually have them sitting in the
cockpit and admire the view/the look and feel. It's also useful for
getting some feed-back from users/customers.

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg

Ralph Savelsberg wrote:



miso wrote:

What's up with the display in this mock-up. Is it for show, or
training purposes?


snip

You mean the one on:

http://www.lazygranch.com/images/air...w2003/x351.jpg


It depends on what the purpose of the mock-up is. I would tend to
think that it is primarily for show/ demonstration to potential
users/customers. Lockheed-Martin could of course show them computer
generated pictures of what the cockpit and displays will eventually
look like, but with a mock-up they can actually have them sitting in
the cockpit and admire the view/the look and feel. It's also useful
for getting some feed-back from users/customers.

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg

Ralph is right, the purpose of the mock-up is to let potential
users/customers see the actual size of the aircraft, and get in and get
the "feel" of the cockpit, to see the layout that LM is going with.
While it is not "dead on" it is very close to what is being proposed. It
is used at air shows to show the general public what it will look like,
and its size compared to other aircraft on the static line, also to
"show the flag" so to speak, for what their governments have or are
thinking about signing up for.

Regards
Jim Barr