Ultimate Biplane crash in Ossipee. NH (N38PC)

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:45:24 -0500, "Morgans" wrote in :

"Richard Riley" wrote

WAS
THE PILOT EJECTED
^
In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling wrecked
car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened for this pilot,
but obviously without an ejection seat.

So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it would be
totally accurate to the majority of the public.

Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was ejected")
fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and matches your
analysis.

I've listened to his 11-minute interview several times. He speaks
as if he didn't have to do anything to get out of the plane.
Once he released his seat belts, he seems to have been thrown out
without any effort on his part.

Marty
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:16 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:45:24 -0500, "Morgans" wrote in :

"Richard Riley" wrote

WAS
THE PILOT EJECTED
^
In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling wrecked
car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened for this pilot,
but obviously without an ejection seat.

So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it would be
totally accurate to the majority of the public.

Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was ejected")
fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and matches your
analysis.

I'd expect it from a typical media source, but the "PILOT WAS EJECTED" quote was
from the FAA accident report. Figured those guys would know better....

Ron Wanttaja

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:16 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote:

WAS
THE PILOT EJECTED
^
In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling wrecked
car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened for this pilot,
but obviously without an ejection seat.

So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it would be
totally accurate to the majority of the public.

Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was ejected")
fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and matches your
analysis.

I've listened to his 11-minute interview several times. He speaks
as if he didn't have to do anything to get out of the plane.
Once he released his seat belts, he seems to have been thrown out
without any effort on his part.

I'd expect it from a typical media source, but the "THE PILOT EJECTED" quote was
from the FAA accident report. Figured those guys would know better....

Ron Wanttaja

Ron Wanttaja wrote in
:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:16 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote:

WAS
THE PILOT EJECTED
^
In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling
wrecked car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened
for this pilot, but obviously without an ejection seat.

So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it
would be totally accurate to the majority of the public.

Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was
ejected") fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and
matches your analysis.

I've listened to his 11-minute interview several times. He speaks
as if he didn't have to do anything to get out of the plane.
Once he released his seat belts, he seems to have been thrown out
without any effort on his part.

I'd expect it from a typical media source, but the "THE PILOT EJECTED"
quote was from the FAA accident report. Figured those guys would know
better....


Well, if he was flung out of the airplane, it's accurate.


Bertie

"the pilot was ejected" is how one might describe getting thrown from
a car as well, whereas just "the pilot ejected" would suggest the
pilot had an active role, as in causing his seat to eject him.

The important thing, of course, is the pilot is not part of the rubble
that used to be an airplane.

On Nov 15, 4:04 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ron Wanttaja wrote :





On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:16 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote:

WAS
THE PILOT EJECTED
^
In as much as the driver of a car can be thrown out of a rolling
wrecked car, and be reported as ejected, the same musta' happened
for this pilot, but obviously without an ejection seat.

So, from our point of view, it is an inaccurate description, but it
would be totally accurate to the majority of the public.

Richard's suggested change to the text (from "ejected" to "was
ejected") fits LD's description of what happened perfectly and
matches your analysis.

I've listened to his 11-minute interview several times. He speaks
as if he didn't have to do anything to get out of the plane.
Once he released his seat belts, he seems to have been thrown out
without any effort on his part.

I'd expect it from a typical media source, but the "THE PILOT EJECTED"
quote was from the FAA accident report. Figured those guys would know
better....

Well, if he was flung out of the airplane, it's accurate.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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Tina wrote in
:

"the pilot was ejected" is how one might describe getting thrown from
a car as well, whereas just "the pilot ejected" would suggest the
pilot had an active role, as in causing his seat to eject him.

Exactly, but what I was alluding to is the fact that the term "ejection
seat" didn't arrive out of thin air. Far from suggesting one or the other,
the precise wording either way would do more than suggest, it would define
what happened.


Bertie

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:28:43 -0600, Big John
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:32:24 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:07:48 -0800, Ron Wanttaja wrote in
:

Superb post-crash interview he

http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html

Well... describing him as "a former paramilitary" is probably a tad off.

"paramilitaries can include...Illegal forces which consider themselves military
but which governments consider terrorist." (Wikipedia)

From the description, the guy sounds like ex-Pararescue....quite a bit different

Yes. He used the right word in the 11-minute, uncut
interview that is available from the link above. He
was also in the military.

I've done a summary of that interview he

http://moleski.net/ULTBIPE/n38pc.htm

I also enjoyed the FAA's description of this accident:

"AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT EJECTED AND
PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"

"Ejected"??!!

He's pretty clear in the interview that he released
the canopy, which blew away quickly, then his harness,
and was pretty much thrown from the plane without
further ado.

No ejection seat was involved, of course. )

Marty


He made a comment about probably giving a bottle of booze to the
rigger.

That is an old custom in the Military. After I ejected (in an ejection
seat) and the chute saved my ass, when I returned to Home Plate I went
to the Parachute shop and found the guy who had packed my chute and
gave him a bottle of good booze and my thanks.

Told him how good a job he did and to keep up the good work.

Big John
***************************

I also joined the Caterpillar Club, another old time custom, and got
my pin.

Big John

Big John wrote in
:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:28:43 -0600, Big John
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:32:24 -0500, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:07:48 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
wrote in
:

Superb post-crash interview he

http://www.wmur.com/news/14576272/detail.html

Well... describing him as "a former paramilitary" is probably a tad
off.

"paramilitaries can include...Illegal forces which consider
themselves military but which governments consider terrorist."
(Wikipedia)

From the description, the guy sounds like ex-Pararescue....quite a
bit different

Yes. He used the right word in the 11-minute, uncut
interview that is available from the link above. He
was also in the military.

I've done a summary of that interview he

http://moleski.net/ULTBIPE/n38pc.htm

I also enjoyed the FAA's description of this accident:

"AIRCRAFT CRASHED DURING ACROBATIC MANEUVERS; AT 1500 FEET THE PILOT
EJECTED AND PARACHUTED TO THE GROUND, OSSIPEE, NH"

"Ejected"??!!

He's pretty clear in the interview that he released
the canopy, which blew away quickly, then his harness,
and was pretty much thrown from the plane without
further ado.

No ejection seat was involved, of course. )

Marty


He made a comment about probably giving a bottle of booze to the
rigger.

That is an old custom in the Military. After I ejected (in an ejection
seat) and the chute saved my ass, when I returned to Home Plate I went
to the Parachute shop and found the guy who had packed my chute and
gave him a bottle of good booze and my thanks.

Told him how good a job he did and to keep up the good work.

Big John
***************************

I also joined the Caterpillar Club, another old time custom, and got
my pin.


How?

What type?

Bertie