Multi time building Q

There were companies that sold multiengine time as copilots on Beech 18s
doing mail runs. The accident rate was very high, the Post Office put a
stop to the practice. The FAA 135 rules make such phony employment illegal
now.


"nobody" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote in message
| ...
| The office supply store sells ballpoint and fountain pens. But if you
| want
| to really fly a the hours, there are no truly cheap hours in a
multiengine
| aircraft.
| But to get a valid answer, you need to say something about your current
| qualifications, do you need a rating or have the rating and are looking
| for
| a job?
| What part of the world are you living and are you willing to travel?
Can
| you join the Army?
|
|
| "Jackal24" wrote in message
| ...
| | Anyone have any ideas on where to go to get around 50 hours of
| multi-time
| | cheap? I looked at AriBen, but the reviews lately are not too great.
|
|
|
| There was a company that used to sell multi-time really cheap. I think
they
| were freight dogs and only let you touch the controls at altitude. I don't
| remember any more details. It sounded like a good deal for someone who
only
| needed the sign off and no real experience.
|
|

I have 1600 hours (all single) with CP-ASEL, and CFII ratings. I would be
looking at getting my ATP and about 50 hours multi-time. I am looking at
applying with the regionals and am willing to go anywhere in the US.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in
:

The office supply store sells ballpoint and fountain pens. But if you
want to really fly a the hours, there are no truly cheap hours in a
multiengine aircraft.
But to get a valid answer, you need to say something about your
current qualifications, do you need a rating or have the rating and
are looking for a job?
What part of the world are you living and are you willing to travel?
Can you join the Army?


"Jackal24" wrote in message
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| Anyone have any ideas on where to go to get around 50 hours of
| multi-time cheap? I looked at AriBen, but the reviews lately are not
| too great.

Go to Spartan or Flight Safety and get the ATP and CFI ME, they will hire
you when you get the ticket, which will take about 25 hours total, then you
get paid to instruct in the school for 50-100 hours a month. There are lots
of schools that hire their "good" graduates and absorb the low time MEI.
Check in your area.

You can also take the ATP ride in a single and then do the MEL as an add-on
ATP.


"Jackal24" wrote in message
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|I have 1600 hours (all single) with CP-ASEL, and CFII ratings. I would be
| looking at getting my ATP and about 50 hours multi-time. I am looking at
| applying with the regionals and am willing to go anywhere in the US.
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote in
| :
|
| The office supply store sells ballpoint and fountain pens. But if you
| want to really fly a the hours, there are no truly cheap hours in a
| multiengine aircraft.
| But to get a valid answer, you need to say something about your
| current qualifications, do you need a rating or have the rating and
| are looking for a job?
| What part of the world are you living and are you willing to travel?
| Can you join the Army?
|
|
| "Jackal24" wrote in message
| ...
| | Anyone have any ideas on where to go to get around 50 hours of
| | multi-time cheap? I looked at AriBen, but the reviews lately are not
| | too great.
|
|
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in
:

Go to Spartan or Flight Safety and get the ATP and CFI ME, they will
hire you when you get the ticket, which will take about 25 hours
total, then you get paid to instruct in the school for 50-100 hours a
month. There are lots of schools that hire their "good" graduates and
absorb the low time MEI. Check in your area.

I would rather get done in just a couple of weeks. I have around $10k to
spend on this. (a donation)

You can also take the ATP ride in a single and then do the MEL as an
add-on ATP.



What would be the point of that?

If your knowledge test is near expiration, you can take the ATP ride in a
single, and then take the MEL ride anytime, just to save taking the "written
test" again.


"Jackal24" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote in
| :
|
| Go to Spartan or Flight Safety and get the ATP and CFI ME, they will
| hire you when you get the ticket, which will take about 25 hours
| total, then you get paid to instruct in the school for 50-100 hours a
| month. There are lots of schools that hire their "good" graduates and
| absorb the low time MEI. Check in your area.
|
| I would rather get done in just a couple of weeks. I have around $10k to
| spend on this. (a donation)
|
| You can also take the ATP ride in a single and then do the MEL as an
| add-on ATP.
|
|
|
| What would be the point of that?

On Dec 9, 9:32 pm, Jackal24 wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote :

Go to Spartan or Flight Safety and get the ATP and CFI ME, they will
hire you when you get the ticket, which will take about 25 hours
total, then you get paid to instruct in the school for 50-100 hours a
month. There are lots of schools that hire their "good" graduates and
absorb the low time MEI. Check in your area.

I would rather get done in just a couple of weeks. I have around $10k to
spend on this. (a donation)

You can also take the ATP ride in a single and then do the MEL as an
add-on ATP.

What would be the point of that?

Because he can't take the ATP ME with only 50 hours in ME time.

-Robert

On Dec 9, 9:43 am, Jackal24 wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on where to go to get around 50 hours of multi-time
cheap? I looked at AriBen, but the reviews lately are not too great.

There did used to be an outfit that paired up ME pilots in order to
gain time. The two pilots split the cost and the flying pilot would
always be under the hood (so they could both log it). I can't remember
the name though.

-Robert

On Dec 10, 1:55 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:43 am, Jackal24 wrote:

Anyone have any ideas on where to go to get around 50 hours of multi-time
cheap? I looked at AriBen, but the reviews lately are not too great.

There did used to be an outfit that paired up ME pilots in order to
gain time. The two pilots split the cost and the flying pilot would
always be under the hood (so they could both log it). I can't remember
the name though.

-Robert

It was a place out of KSNA. A good budy of mine worked there. They got
an official ruling from the FAA and the Safety Pilot had to log SIC
time. There are probably more places like this. The OP should use
extreme caution with outfits that charge for time during commercial
ops . The Feds take a dim view of this .

On Dec 10, 1:18 pm, "F. Baum" wrote:
On Dec 10, 1:55 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On Dec 9, 9:43 am, Jackal24 wrote:

Anyone have any ideas on where to go to get around 50 hours of multi-time
cheap? I looked at AriBen, but the reviews lately are not too great.

There did used to be an outfit that paired up ME pilots in order to
gain time. The two pilots split the cost and the flying pilot would
always be under the hood (so they could both log it). I can't remember
the name though.

-Robert

It was a place out of KSNA. A good budy of mine worked there. They got
an official ruling from the FAA and the Safety Pilot had to log SIC
time. There are probably more places like this.

On what basis did the the FSDO say the safety pilot couldn't log PIC
despite the fact that FAR 61.51(e)(iii) says he can log PIC and the
FAA Chief Council has previously confirmed that?

-Robert

On Dec 10, 6:26 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On what basis did the the FSDO say the safety pilot couldn't log PIC
despite the fact that FAR 61.51(e)(iii) says he can log PIC and the
FAA Chief Council has previously confirmed that?

Robert, ya gotta be careful with this stuff. I can remember an Embry
Riddle buddy (We used to call them Riddlers) who told me they used to
put 4 guys in a Seminole (Nevermind what we used to call those ) and
EACH one of them logged the time as PIC. Riddle actually came up with
an interpritation that supported this !! As for the Long Beach FISDO,
I cant recall what the basis was exactly , but they were ask for an
interpritaion and they gave one. When the FAA first went online years
ago they had a section where they fielded questions on interpritaions
and the logging of flight time always had the most questions. Heres
the way I like to think of it; For every flight you have A pilot. Im
kinda slow and I gotta keep things simple. I have heard just about
every line there is for logging time.
FB

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