737 Blown Across Ramp

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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Dec 27, 1:14?pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Phil wrote:
I know they call it the Windy City, but this is ridiculous...

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...c7642-d205-411
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Phil

What do you want to bet that the brakes weren't set?

That would be odd. Why would the brakes be set if no one was on
board? Makes it a bit tough to tow.

So it doesn't roll away in the wind all on it's own with no one on
board?

Or, if they were expecting to tow it in the immediate future, where
were the chocks to make sure it doesn't roll away in the wind all on
it's own until they got around to towing it?



They'll jump all but the best chocks if the wind is strong enough. Mostly
it's airplanes with the engines out back that do this most easily, but
they'll all do it in enough wind.


Bertie

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 1:14 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Phil wrote:
I know they call it the Windy City, but this is ridiculous...

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...642-d205-411d-...

Phil

What do you want to bet that the brakes weren't set?

That would be odd. Why would the brakes be set if no one was on board?
Makes it a bit tough to tow.

-Robert
I hear chalks fix the problem.

Anyone who watched the Bears game on Sunday and saw Brent Fabre say that it
was the coldest game he'd ever played it knows that it was an absolute ice
rink at Midway. You could have set those brakes at a thousand psi and that
sucker would have fancydanced across the ice in that wind.

No chocks, only tiedowns could have kept that aircraft from moving.

Jim

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"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 1:14 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Phil wrote:
I know they call it the Windy City, but this is ridiculous...

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...642-d205-411d-...

Phil

What do you want to bet that the brakes weren't set?

That would be odd. Why would the brakes be set if no one was on board?
Makes it a bit tough to tow.

-Robert
I hear chalks fix the problem.

"RST Engineering" wrote in
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Anyone who watched the Bears game on Sunday and saw Brent Fabre say
that it was the coldest game he'd ever played it knows that it was an
absolute ice rink at Midway. You could have set those brakes at a
thousand psi and that sucker would have fancydanced across the ice in
that wind.


Wel, they would have been set at 3,000 PSI in fact,

No chocks, only tiedowns could have kept that aircraft from moving.

True.

Bertie

RST Engineering wrote:

No chocks, only tiedowns could have kept that aircraft from moving.


Chocks aren't perfect. At my home field we often get violent downbursts
from thunderstorms in the summer. Peak gusts of 60-70 kts aren't unusual. I
use both chocks and tiedowns, and I've found that after a particularly bad
storm, the chocks were often blown away from wheels and the plane was sitting
slightly sideways with the tiedowns pulled tight.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Dec 27, 1:14 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Phil wrote:
I know they call it the Windy City, but this is ridiculous...
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...642-d205-411d-...
Phil
What do you want to bet that the brakes weren't set?

That would be odd. Why would the brakes be set if no one was on board?
Makes it a bit tough to tow.

Uh, to keep the wind from blowing it around? :-)

Brakes should not be used to secure an airplane that is not attended, always
use chocks. An airline class airplane might be secured in strong winds with
chocks and a heavy tug with the tow bar.


"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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| Matt

Another reason to rely on chocks instead of brakes is the unreliability of a
hydraulic parking brake. The pressure can bleed off and release the brake
after a bit. So the mistake might have been setting the parking brake
instead of using chocks.

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Mike

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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Phil wrote:
I know they call it the Windy City, but this is ridiculous...

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Phil

What do you want to bet that the brakes weren't set?

Matt

Phil wrote in
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I know they call it the Windy City, but this is ridiculous...

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Happens all the time. The fins are huge and some airplanes weathervane
easily.
It happened to one of our airplanes (727) years ago unbeknowst to the crew.
The FE did the walkaround and noticed that the Radome had two nostrils.
Further investigations revealed that the airplane had turned around in high
winds and had ridden up on top of the GPU. The handling agent needed their
GPU for another airplane, but found a 727 inconvieniently parked on top of
it, so they lifted the nose of the airplane with a forklift in order to get
it out. They went right through the radome and into the forward pressure
bulkhead.
I've had two airplanes weathervane on me, though, both undamaged.


Bertie

On Dec 28, 12:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Phil wrote :

I know they call it the Windy City, but this is ridiculous...

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...2-d205-411d-89
15-86c169181d87&

Happens all the time. The fins are huge and some airplanes weathervane
easily.
It happened to one of our airplanes (727) years ago unbeknowst to the crew..
The FE did the walkaround and noticed that the Radome had two nostrils.
Further investigations revealed that the airplane had turned around in high
winds and had ridden up on top of the GPU. The handling agent needed their
GPU for another airplane, but found a 727 inconvieniently parked on top of
it, so they lifted the nose of the airplane with a forklift in order to get
it out. They went right through the radome and into the forward pressure
bulkhead.
I've had two airplanes weathervane on me, though, both undamaged.

Bertie

Interesting. I've never heard of this before. When it weathervanes,
how does that work? Does it pivot around the mains and drag the
nosewheel?

Phil