RAF?

..Join the English Royal Air Force?

There is a long and honorable tradition of foreigners serving in the
RAF. I'm not sure though that they would bother with you today,
especially if you want to be a pilot.

Would that make me a British Citizen

No.

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Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
..Join the English Royal Air Force?

There is a long and honorable tradition of foreigners serving in the
RAF. I'm not sure though that they would bother with you today,
especially if you want to be a pilot.

Would that make me a British Citizen

No.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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You tea chuggers are mean!

Here in America the Canadians are free to join our Army and become
American citizens in so doing.

Why the double standard? Why the hipocracy? Why the predjudice?

Why the double standard? Why the hipocracy? Why the predjudice?

It's none of the above. The United States takes the attitude that
citizenship comes with residence, not bloodline. Britain (and I think
most European countries) take the opposite view.

The child of two Americans, born overseas, does not automatically have
American citizenship. He must spend three? years in the U.S. before
his 21st? birthday in order to nail it down.

Europeans would find this bizzare. I am an Irish citizen, with an
Irish passport, because my father was born in Ireland. It doesn't
matter that I was born in Massachusetts.

Since the U.S. is a nation of immigrants, we accept foreigners in our
armed forces and even allow their military service to speed the
citizenship process. When I was in the army, a "Lodge Act enlistee"
was a foreigner serving a five-year enlistment. He got his citizenship
along with his discharge papers. This was especially popular (for both
sides) with men from Eastern Europe, who were valued for their
language skills.

Today there was a photo on the internet of a protest demanding rights
for illegal immigrants: BEING HUMAN IS NOT ILLEGAL, or words to that
effect. Europeans would think this is nutty. I think it is nutty. But
it is very American. Basically, if you can get here, no matter how you
arrived, you can demand your rights, including the right to join the
army.



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The child of two Americans, born overseas, does not automatically have
American citizenship. He must spend three? years in the U.S. before
his 21st? birthday in order to nail it down.

Wrong!!! The child of Americans born abroad is automatically a US citizen.
All the parents need do is apply for a certificate at the embassy. My
daughter, born in Germany has one, signed by the Sec of State George
Schultz.

As a child of US citizens she could not claim German citizenship, the rules
in other countries vary.

However if one parent were a third country national, the child could claim
dual citizenship and decide later.

Les

Wrong!!! The child of Americans born abroad is automatically a US citizen.
All the parents need do is apply for a certificate at the embassy. My
daughter, born in Germany has one, signed by the Sec of State George
Schultz.

Okay, that's an alternate route. But the point is still validt: the
citizenship doesn't come automatically. (And what if only one parent
is American?)

Contrast this with my granddaughters. They are American because they
were born in New Hampshire. They are British because their father is
British. There was no need to register them.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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The child of two Americans, born overseas, does not automatically have
American citizenship. He must spend three? years in the U.S. before
his 21st? birthday in order to nail it down.

Wrong!!! The child of Americans born abroad is automatically a US citizen.
All the parents need do is apply for a certificate at the embassy. My
daughter, born in Germany has one, signed by the Sec of State George
Schultz.

The law regarding US nationality by children born abroad to one or
two US citizen parents has changed several times over the years
and the exact law that applies will depend on when the person
was born, whether one or both parents are US citizens, and
whether the parents are married at the time of the birth.
The current laws can be found on the State Department
website at http://travel.state.gov/acquisition.html

As a child of US citizens she could not claim German citizenship, the rules
in other countries vary.

Unless you or your wife was a German citizen, your daughter would
not have had any claim to German citizenship. Until recently,
Germany did not confer citizenship based on birth in Germany.
You were German if you had a German parent. Birth in Germany
played no part in equation. Germany has recently allowed children
born in Germany to long term residents to have German citizenship.

However if one parent were a third country national, the child could claim
dual citizenship and decide later.

Keep in mind that there is no requirement, by the US, to "decide"
on which citizenship you wish to have. A person with dual US/other
citizenship can keep both citizenships for life, as far as the US is
concerned. The "other" country may or may not have a requirement
to "choose" or "decide", but the US does not.

Stephen Gallagher

Cub Driver wrote:

:Why the double standard? Why the hipocracy? Why the predjudice?

: It's none of the above. The United States takes the attitude that
: citizenship comes with residence, not bloodline. Britain (and I think
: most European countries) take the opposite view.

AFAIK this is the German point of view, but not shared
by most European nations, including Britain. You can be
refused UK citizenship even after a long stay if the law
thinks you're a shady character -- read Muhammed
Al-Fayed -- but one can perfectly be naturalised else.

The RAF can presumably be more strict, although they
probably could be made to accept all EU citizens.
IIRC there has been a ruling by the European court
that the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

--
Emmanuel Gustin

the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

Wow. No wonder the Brits are uneasy about their membership in the
Community.

My first reaction was what they would do when thousands of Turks
turned up at the recruiting office ... then I remembered the Ghurkas.

(And the Irish.)

What does the EU say about language requriements for such employment?

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Emmanuel.Gustin" wrote in message
...
Cub Driver wrote:

:Why the double standard? Why the hipocracy? Why the predjudice?

: It's none of the above. The United States takes the attitude that
: citizenship comes with residence, not bloodline. Britain (and I think
: most European countries) take the opposite view.

AFAIK this is the German point of view, but not shared
by most European nations, including Britain. You can be
refused UK citizenship even after a long stay if the law
thinks you're a shady character -- read Muhammed
Al-Fayed -- but one can perfectly be naturalised else.

The RAF can presumably be more strict, although they
probably could be made to accept all EU citizens.
IIRC there has been a ruling by the European court
that the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

--
Emmanuel Gustin


We are currently below strength in the RAF. We have a deficit of just over a
1,000 in the non-commissioned ranks.

TJ

On 14 Dec 2003 12:02:21 GMT, Emmanuel.Gustin wrote:
Cub Driver wrote:

:Why the double standard? Why the hipocracy? Why the predjudice?

: It's none of the above. The United States takes the attitude that
: citizenship comes with residence, not bloodline. Britain (and I think
: most European countries) take the opposite view.

AFAIK this is the German point of view,

AIUI you're a bit out of date he people with Turkish ancestry
brought up in Germany now get German citizenship as a matter of
course.

The RAF can presumably be more strict, although they
probably could be made to accept all EU citizens.
IIRC there has been a ruling by the European court
that the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

Not heard of that; got a URL?

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