Mid-air in California

On Jan 21, 7:19 pm, D Ramapriya wrote:
On Jan 21, 5:51 pm, Slug wrote:

Well I was right. This time it was puddle jumpers.
The next time it may be a heavy over a school or shopping
mall. Near mid-air's and runway collisions are rapidly
rising within our Air Traffic control system. However, the
LIARS in FAA management continue to deny and obfuscate
reality.

The big one is coming. SOON.

I must've read on an average at least one newspaper article* with
similar headlines over the past five years about the (reportedly)
dangerous scene in India. Either the scribes have been unduly antsy or
we've been dashed lucky thus far.

Reports of near-misses between civilian and military aircraft where
the former use the latter's airfields - and there are a fair few of
them - are especially rife.

Ramapriya

* each month

On 2008-01-21 07:19:32 -0800, D Ramapriya said:

On Jan 21, 5:51 pm, Slug wrote:
Well I was right. This time it was puddle jumpers.
The next time it may be a heavy over a school or shopping
mall. Near mid-air's and runway collisions are rapidly
rising within our Air Traffic control system. However, the
LIARS in FAA management continue to deny and obfuscate
reality.

The big one is coming. SOON.


I must've read on an average at least one newspaper article with
similar headlines over the past five years about the (reportedly)
dangerous scene in India. Either the scribes have been unduly antsy or
we've been dashed lucky thus far.

Reports of near-misses between civilian and military aircraft where
the former use the latter's airfields - and there are a fair few of
them - are especially rife.

Ramapriya

Slug can take his FAA conspiracy theories elsewhere. The FAA probably
had nothing to do with a crash at Corona. There is no tower there and
neither plane may have even been in radio contact with any FAA facility.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Rich Ahrens wrote:
C J Campbell wrote:
That fact that it is extremely rare probably does not make anyone
involved feel any better about it.

There were four souls lost in the collision between a 152 and a 172.
AP and CNN say one of them was in a car in the ground and the rest on
board the planes. UPI says two of the victims were on the ground. I
suppose it will take some time to straighten out what happened.

And, true to form, the ABC station's live-on-the-scene bimbo noted that
they had been unable to determine yet if either plane had filed a flight
plan with the Corona airport. Good grief.

Now it's two in each plane and one on the ground, and a 150 and 172.

I like this bit from the LA Times:

"Without assessing a cause for Sunday's accident, Pollack noted that the
airport has no flight control tower. 'It's considered to be an
uncontrolled airport,' he told reporters."

(Pollack is NTSB investigator Wayne Pollack.) There's no context around
that passage to explain that uncontrolled airports are the norm or that
primary responsibility for avoiding traffic falls on pilots under VFR.
Whether the reporters intended it or not (and I doubt they did),
unknowledgeable readers are going to think the lack of a tower had to be
a cause of this accident.

I figured out why they are obsessed with flight plans. Part of the human
angle of the story is where the departed was/were going. "They were headed
for a reunion with their long-lost children..." They check on the flight
plan to see if they can wrangle that part of the story out of the relatives.


And, true to form, the ABC station's live-on-the-scene bimbo noted that
they had been unable to determine yet if either plane had filed a flight
plan with the Corona airport. Good grief.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:39:44 -0800, C J Campbell
wrote in
2008012019394416807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

That fact that it is extremely rare ...

A MAC occurred at Corona Municipal Airport less than ten years ago:
3/19/1998

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...11X09700&key=1
NTSB Identification: LAX98FA118A
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Thursday, March 19, 1998 in CORONA, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 10/13/2000
Aircraft: Cessna 310H, registration: N310RR
Injuries: 3 Fatal.
A Cessna 310 and a Cessna 152 collided in-flight about 2 miles
south of the Corona airport at 2,600 feet mean sea level (about
2,000 above ground level). The Cessna 310, with two pilots aboard,
was descending toward another nearby area airport, and the Cessna
152, flown by a certified flight instructor (the sole occupant)
from the right seat, was orbiting south of the airport awaiting
the reopening of the runway following construction. Radar data
showed that in the 1 minute 18 seconds prior to the collision, the
Cessna 310 descended from 4,000 feet to the collision point on a
southeast bound ground track at a rate of about 1,200 feet per
minute. Nine seconds prior to the collision, the Cessna 152, which
had been on a westbound track, began a right turn toward a
northwest bound ground track. Over the 1 minute 18 second period,
the horizontal separation decreased from 6.01 nautical miles to
zero as the vertical separation decreased 1,400 feet.
Reconstruction of the two airplanes revealed that at the point of
collision, the Cessna 310's lateral axis was about 80 degrees to
the Cessna 152's vertical axis as the 310's outer right wing and
tip tank contacted the 152's left main gear strut, lift strut, and
inboard left wing. In the one minute prior to the collision, the
relative horizontal bearing from the Cessna 310 ground track to
the Cessna 152 was between 8 and 10 degrees left of the track.
During this same period, the relative horizontal bearing from the
Cessna 152 ground track to the Cessna 310 varied between 25
degrees and 40 degrees right of the Cessna 152 ground track as it
maneuvered prior to the right turn. Trigonometric calculation of
altitude difference between the targets yielded a 2 degree 10
minute relative vertical angle between the target positions.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The failure of both pilots to maintain an adequate visual lookout
and to see and avoid the other airplane.

Full narrative available

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:39:44 -0800, C J Campbell
wrote in
2008012019394416807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

That fact that it is extremely rare ...

A MAC occurred at Corona Municipal Airport less than ten years ago:
3/19/1998


We have automobile collisions collisions by the dozens every month. Once every
ten years would qualify as a fairly rare event, I would think.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:24:40 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:39:44 -0800, C J Campbell
wrote in
2008012019394416807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

That fact that it is extremely rare ...

A MAC occurred at Corona Municipal Airport less than ten years ago:
3/19/1998


We have automobile collisions collisions by the dozens every month. Once every
ten years would qualify as a fairly rare event, I would think.

Given the disparity between the number of aircraft (239,162 in 2006*)
in the US and the number of automobiles (129,728,341 in 1998**) (542
times as many autos as planes), that's not a very good comparison.

When you factor in the MAC happening in the same location in less than
ten years time, it's even worse.



* http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...9factcard.html

** http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/hs97/in3.pdf

On Jan 21, 9:30*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:39:44 -0800, C J Campbell
wrote in
2008012019394416807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

That fact that it is extremely rare ...

A MAC occurred at Corona Municipal Airport less than ten years ago:
3/19/1998 *

* *http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...11X09700&key=1
* * NTSB Identification: LAX98FA118A
* * 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
* * Accident occurred Thursday, March 19, 1998 in CORONA, CA
* * Probable Cause Approval Date: 10/13/2000
* * Aircraft: Cessna 310H, registration: N310RR
* * Injuries: 3 Fatal.
* * A Cessna 310 and a Cessna 152 collided in-flight about 2 miles
* * south of the Corona airport at 2,600 feet mean sea level (about
* * 2,000 above ground level). The Cessna 310, with two pilots aboard,
* * was descending toward another nearby area airport, and the Cessna
* * 152, flown by a certified flight instructor (the sole occupant)
* * from the right seat, was orbiting south of the airport awaiting
* * the reopening of the runway following construction. Radar data
* * showed that in the 1 minute 18 seconds prior to the collision, the
* * Cessna 310 descended from 4,000 feet to the collision point on a
* * southeast bound ground track at a rate of about 1,200 feet per
* * minute. Nine seconds prior to the collision, the Cessna 152, which
* * had been on a westbound track, began a right turn toward a
* * northwest bound ground track. Over the 1 minute 18 second period,
* * the horizontal separation decreased from 6.01 nautical miles to
* * zero as the vertical separation decreased 1,400 feet.
* * Reconstruction of the two airplanes revealed that at the point of
* * collision, the Cessna 310's lateral axis was about 80 degrees to
* * the Cessna 152's vertical axis as the 310's outer right wing and
* * tip tank contacted the 152's left main gear strut, lift strut, and
* * inboard left wing. In the one minute prior to the collision, the
* * relative horizontal bearing from the Cessna 310 ground track to
* * the Cessna 152 was between 8 and 10 degrees left of the track.
* * During this same period, the relative horizontal bearing from the
* * Cessna 152 ground track to the Cessna 310 varied between 25
* * degrees and 40 degrees right of the Cessna 152 ground track as it
* * maneuvered prior to the right turn. Trigonometric calculation of
* * altitude difference between the targets yielded a 2 degree 10
* * minute relative vertical angle between the target positions.

* * The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
* * cause(s) of this accident as follows:

* * The failure of both pilots to maintain an adequate visual lookout
* * and to see and avoid the other airplane.

* * Full narrative available

Wow, what are the odds of two Cessnas hitting each other at the same
airport within a ten year peiod? It's a conpiracy!

Wil

Roughly the same odds as teaching the clueless how to snip dozens of lines
for a two line reply.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford





Wow, what are the odds of two Cessnas hitting each other at the same
airport within a ten year peiod? It's a conpiracy!

Wil

http://www.venturacountystar.com/new...-collision-in/
Investigators seek cause of midair collision in Corona
By Greg Risling
The Associated Press
Tuesday, January 22, 2008

... There were bodies falling out of the sky," witness Hector
Hernandez told KCBS-TV. "One of them crashed into the top of a
Ford Mustang, and another one fell not too far behind that one on
the parking lot."

In one of the car lots, the twisted hull of a plane rested against
two vehicles.

Witnesses told authorities that one of the planes slammed into the
other. One of the aircraft shattered on impact, while the other
spiraled to the ground, left mostly intact.

Authorities haven't released the planes' origins or destinations.
The crash occurred about a mile south of the Corona Municipal
Airport, which doesn't have a manned control tower.

The crash is the sixth in the area over the past 10 years.

...

The Riverside County Coroner's Office identified the dead as Scott
Gayle Lawrence, 55, of Cerritos; Paul Luther Carlson, 73, also of
Cerritos; Brandon William Johnson, 24, of Costa Mesa; Anthony Joel
Guzman, 20, of Hesperia; and Earl Smiddy, 58, of Moreno Valley.

Smiddy was crushed in the car dealership.




http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/s...escollide.html
... One of the planes was a Cessna 172 registered to William A.
Reinke of La Habra, according to aircraft databases. Reached at
his home Sunday night, Reinke declined to say who was flying his
plane or who might have been on board.

The second plane, a Cessna 150, is registered to Air Corona Inc.,
based in Dover, Del. Many plane owners register their aircraft in
Delaware even if they are not based there because of the state's
low taxes.