The Latest Sport Aviation has a WHAT on the cover?

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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"Reggie" wrote in message
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Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current
leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association????

The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not
Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our
second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having
the aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to
experimental aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport
should come quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are
registered Experimental even though they may be factory made? Perhaps
that is why many of the glider pilots I have met over the years are
members of the EAA, even though they get precious little coverage in the
EAA magizine.

To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better
and more directly than any other organization.

Vaughn

Vaughn:
I'm missing something. How does the word Experimental tie into Warbirds,
Classics, and Light Sport? What category do the factory built
"Experimental" gliders fall under? Exhibition?
It seems to me that EAA is really flying under false colors. A more
representative name eludes me but it sure wouldn't be Experimental based on
what I see in the magazine and the EAA video from Oshkosh as well as the
focus every year at show center. Indeed one year the EAA video did not even
mention the award winners, but did have Mooneys and Beechcraft aircraft
shown.
I do agree that EAA does the best job in defending us from our "Elected"
Representatives and because of that reason alone I maintain my membership.

Stu

To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better
and more directly than any other organization.

Vaughn

Very true, and they still do a decent job of it.

In addition, the chapters continue to accomplish a lot of the tasks that
fell to the magazines before there were so many chapters.

Peter

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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"Reggie" wrote in message
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Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current
leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association????

The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not
Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our
second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having
the aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to
experimental aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport
should come quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are
registered Experimental even though they may be factory made? Perhaps
that is why many of the glider pilots I have met over the years are
members of the EAA, even though they get precious little coverage in the
EAA magizine.

To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better
and more directly than any other organization.


I believe that the main categories of "Experimental" airworthiness
certificates are Exhibition, Air Racing, Amateur built, Market Survey -
sales demonstration, research and development. I don't believe that Light
Sport is part of this system.

"War Birds" fall in Exhibition and/or Air Racing as do many competition
sailplanes. R&D/Market Survey are normally pre-production version of
aircraft intended for standard airworthiness certificates. Of course
classic/antique aircraft must be maintained in accordance with their
standard airworthiness certificate.

Even though the EAA was instrumental as a lobbying agency for the Light
Sports Aircraft and the transition of ultra-light aircraft to the light
sport category; light sports aviation's birth has been completed and is
live, well and growingl. The successful growth of LSA is no longer
dependant on the EAA.

It would appear to me that the EAA should return to a balance between
Exhibition, Air Racing, Amateur Built, and classic/antique. Isn't this the
organizations legacy? I also believe it is the organizations future.

Wayne
HP-14 N990
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

I missed something (probably obvious), but what do Classics, warbirds
and (some LSA) have to do with "experimental" per se? My take is that
an experimental (amateur built) plane is defined as one BUILT by the
owner for educational purposes. It would be nice to have an
organizational leader who has built an experimental amateur built
airplane, but it isn't absolutely necessary for leading an organization
of experimental amateur builders...

Scott


Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Reggie" wrote in message
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Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current
leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association????


The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not
Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our
second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having the
aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to experimental
aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport should come
quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are registered Experimental
even though they may be factory made? Perhaps that is why many of the glider
pilots I have met over the years are members of the EAA, even though they get
precious little coverage in the EAA magizine.

To me, the EAA has always represented the "little guy" in aviation better and
more directly than any other organization.

Vaughn



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Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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"Reggie" wrote in message
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Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current
leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association????

The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not
Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). snip

Homebuilt Aviation Association was considered back in 1953 when the name was
adopted. The "nameing" committee settled upon the "Experimental" Aviation
Association, since all homebuilt aircraft were licensed in a category of the
experimental classification that was created by the FAA especially for us.
That category is "Experimental - Amateur Built" and is what made the EAA
possible. Only "homebuilt" aircraft are eligible for certification in t his
special category. Warbirds and Classics are not.

Highflyer, EAA#9135

Does anyone recall ANY experimental aeroplane built by the current
leader of the Experimental Aircraft Association????

The organization's name is Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), not
Homebuilt Aviation Association (HAA). Your point in regards to our
second-generation President may be well taken, I don't recall him having the
aviation background to match his father's; but there is more to experimental
aviation than homebuilding. Classics, warbirds & Light Sport should come
quickly to mind, but did you know that many gliders are registered Experimental
even though they may be factory made? Perhaps that is why many of the glider
pilots I have met over the years are members of the EAA, even though they get
precious little coverage in the EAA magizine.

The gliders are registered Experimental as a dodge against filing the
paperwork by their rich spoiled European manufacturers.

Either type certification IS good or it IS NOT good. If it IS good we
should demand adherence and make Experimental non-Amateur-Built
operations really limited to their actual stated purpose. If it IS NOT
good we should get rid of it. If it is good for air carrier and
business aircraft and not good for personally owned non commercial
aircraft, which is what I believe, that's what should be stated and
campaigned for. Not dodged.

Kyle Boatright wrote:
A Cirrus? You gotta be kidding me.

I know, this is a quarterly topic for discussion, but I swear, EAA is
becoming AOPA. I guess it pays better or something. When was the last
warbird article in Sport Aviation? OK, how 'bout the last restoration
of an antique by the owner (not by someone who wrote a bunch of checks).

Very disappointing.

Yes, I dropped my EAA membership many moons ago for just this reason.
It seemed like they were more like AOPA Pilot and Flying every issue. I
kept Kitplanes...

Matt

Whoa! How about JUST experimentals in Sport Av? Warbirds and
Antique/Classics have their own publications from EAA...

Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)



Kyle Boatright wrote:
A Cirrus? You gotta be kidding me.

I know, this is a quarterly topic for discussion, but I swear, EAA is
becoming AOPA. I guess it pays better or something. When was the last
warbird article in Sport Aviation? OK, how 'bout the last restoration
of an antique by the owner (not by someone who wrote a bunch of checks).

Very disappointing.

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On Feb 26, 10:33*pm, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:
A Cirrus? *You gotta be kidding me.

I know, this is a quarterly topic for discussion, but I swear, EAA is
becoming AOPA. *I guess it pays better or something. *When was the last
warbird article in Sport Aviation? *OK, how 'bout the last restoration of an
antique by the owner (not by someone who wrote a bunch of checks).

Very disappointing.

It's worse than the cover there is an entire article on flying the
Cirrus. I understand that they are offering one as a prize but I
don't remember flight reports for the Cessnas, Pipers and Huskys they
used to offer. I am sure they look kindly on Cirrus because of its
roots in Homebuilding but I dare you to find any mention of
homebuilding or kitplanes on the Cirrus website.

On page 83 is one photo and a paragraph describing a PA-12 that took
Reserve Grand Champion in the Seaplane category last year. I remember
that after Oshkosh there would be one issue devoted almost fully to
the show and then over the next year each Grand and Reserve Champion
in the major categories (Homebuilt, Kitbuilt, Warbird, Antique and
Classic) got a full length article. That would be enough articles to
put more than one in every issue till the next show. I haven't seen
that in some time.

I still support EAA and look forward to the day I can start building a
Pober Super Ace with a Moravia in line four engine. I think that EAA
does combine enough disparate groups that would not receive near the
attention they can as part of this organization.

I will send essentially a copy of this post to the EAA this weekend.

John Dupre'