injected planes, no more owner oil changes, contact AOPA

On Apr 1, 2:21*pm, Peter Clark
wrote:
*It takes 10 minutes (most of which is getting at
the thing, which if you've already gotten it open for the oil change
makes it take 5 seconds) and if you can't get the nearest mechanic to
sign an entry saying that they complied with the job then you're not
doing something right. *It doesn't stop you from changing your oil in
any way, shape, or form.

A couple things you probably have not considered...
1) Before this AD I could change my oil on the weekend or earily AM
before work (which is when I usually do it), now you have to
coordinate the time when the shop is open (take the AM off work)
2) No A&P is going to bill you for 5 minutes. You'll be billed at
least 30 minutes, meaning you might as well have the A&P change the
oil. The benefit of changing your own oil is gone.

If you don't see the above points as a lose in ability/freedom then I
can't help you. If the AD had something to do with oil I would be ok
with it but it doesn't. Making the aircraft unairworthy because the
pilot changed the oil doesn't in anyway make the AD any more
effective.

-Robert

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:07:17 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Apr 1, 2:21*pm, Peter Clark
wrote:
*It takes 10 minutes (most of which is getting at
the thing, which if you've already gotten it open for the oil change
makes it take 5 seconds) and if you can't get the nearest mechanic to
sign an entry saying that they complied with the job then you're not
doing something right. *It doesn't stop you from changing your oil in
any way, shape, or form.

A couple things you probably have not considered...
1) Before this AD I could change my oil on the weekend or earily AM
before work (which is when I usually do it), now you have to
coordinate the time when the shop is open (take the AM off work)
2) No A&P is going to bill you for 5 minutes. You'll be billed at
least 30 minutes, meaning you might as well have the A&P change the
oil. The benefit of changing your own oil is gone.

If you don't see the above points as a lose in ability/freedom then I
can't help you. If the AD had something to do with oil I would be ok
with it but it doesn't. Making the aircraft unairworthy because the
pilot changed the oil doesn't in anyway make the AD any more
effective.

The AD requires inspection of the non-changed part (thanks to those
who corrected me on that, I didn't realize there was a terminating
action). It would have been nice of them to sync the inspection times
to the SB (if the plug has been re-torqued the SB says annually or 120
hours of time in service), but it doesn't stop you from doing your oil
change every 5 hours, or 25 hours, it only stops you from more than 50
hours TIS since the last inspection. They're not linked.

OK, re-reading the AD it does say each change. Annyoing, but at least
there's a terminating action (replace the gasket).

Sorry. Teach me to drink and type.

"Peter Clark" wrote
Sorry. Teach me to drink and type.

Lol... sounds like you already know how... you just need a few lessons on
drinking and reading

Jim

if you do not have RSA-5 or RSA-10 injection servos or have not had maint
done on that engine since Aug 2006.
A one time inspection to confirm the part numbers and log inspection, then
write it off as N/A by the A&P.

I did not see any reference to a permanent fix to do away with the 50hr
repetitive inspection. For those that need it.
BT

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
...
AD 2008-06-51 prohibits injected (mostly Lycoming) aircraft owners
from changing their own oil (really makes the plane unairworthy after
an oil change until you get an A&P sign off).
Talking to AOPA about this I really don't get the impression that they
think this is very important. I would encourage everyone to send a
quick email to AOPA and let them know that the FAA needs to find
another way to do this AD other than restricting oil changes.

-Robert

It's a rather fluid situation. Precision's latest revision to PRS-107 is
dated 3/21/08
http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Pu...107%20Rev2.pdf
and lists terminating action for their company SB by installing a new
2577258 gasket via their instructions and stamping the hex plug with a
letter "G". In a round-about way this action terminates the AD because when
completed, the servo will no longer contain the 365533 gasket to which the
AD refers.
Jim

"BT" wrote in message
...
if you do not have RSA-5 or RSA-10 injection servos or have not had maint
done on that engine since Aug 2006.
A one time inspection to confirm the part numbers and log inspection, then
write it off as N/A by the A&P.

I did not see any reference to a permanent fix to do away with the 50hr
repetitive inspection. For those that need it.
BT

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
...
AD 2008-06-51 prohibits injected (mostly Lycoming) aircraft owners
from changing their own oil (really makes the plane unairworthy after
an oil change until you get an A&P sign off).
Talking to AOPA about this I really don't get the impression that they
think this is very important. I would encourage everyone to send a
quick email to AOPA and let them know that the FAA needs to find
another way to do this AD other than restricting oil changes.

-Robert

true.. that is a "round about way".. I would expect that there would be a
revised AD forthcoming from the good ole FAA to recognize the "AD
Terminating" procedure.

BT

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
It's a rather fluid situation. Precision's latest revision to PRS-107 is
dated 3/21/08
http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Pu...107%20Rev2.pdf
and lists terminating action for their company SB by installing a new
2577258 gasket via their instructions and stamping the hex plug with a
letter "G". In a round-about way this action terminates the AD because
when completed, the servo will no longer contain the 365533 gasket to
which the AD refers.
Jim

"BT" wrote in message
...
if you do not have RSA-5 or RSA-10 injection servos or have not had maint
done on that engine since Aug 2006.
A one time inspection to confirm the part numbers and log inspection,
then write it off as N/A by the A&P.

I did not see any reference to a permanent fix to do away with the 50hr
repetitive inspection. For those that need it.
BT

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
...
AD 2008-06-51 prohibits injected (mostly Lycoming) aircraft owners
from changing their own oil (really makes the plane unairworthy after
an oil change until you get an A&P sign off).
Talking to AOPA about this I really don't get the impression that they
think this is very important. I would encourage everyone to send a
quick email to AOPA and let them know that the FAA needs to find
another way to do this AD other than restricting oil changes.

-Robert

On Apr 1, 6:02*pm, "BT" wrote:
if you do not have RSA-5 or RSA-10 injection servos or have not had maint
done on that engine since Aug 2006.
A one time inspection to confirm the part numbers and log inspection, then
write it off as N/A by the A&P.

Yea, as in remove the service (4 hrs labor) send it to a fuel shop
then reinstall it (4 hours labor). Removing the nut by anyone other
than a fuel service shop voids the warranty and disrupts the correct
flow.


I did not see any reference to a permanent fix to do away with the 50hr
repetitive inspection. For those that need it.

No one will do this every 50 hours. Since you have to do it oil change
it will already be done. Now you have to pay an A&P to do your oil
change (or just pay him the 1/2 hr labor to do the 5 min AD and have
him sit the other 25 minutes on your dime).

-Robert