Airspeed of military planes

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
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Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.

If they are in Special Use Airspace and Military Operating Areas, they can
go as fast as they want -- well, as fast as the mission test plan calls for.
An F-14 Tomcat at Mach 1+, 200 Ft AGL, and 1/2 mile away in a 60 degree
bank with full burner is a visceral thing.

"Casey Wilson" wrote...

If they are in Special Use Airspace and Military Operating Areas, they can
go as fast as they want -- well, as fast as the mission test plan calls for.

Not quite...

Supersonic flight is additionally restricted to designated Supersonic corridors
for non-emergency ops.

"it depends"..

When I was flying the B-1, we would accelerate to 360 knots on climb out..
Coming back down into traffic pattern it was 300knts below 10K
Our flap / gear speed is 240knt (the buzzer comes on below 240knts if the
flaps are not out)

But for low level in IR training routes, we planned 540knt, 500-1500ft AGL
Those IR routes are not in MOA or restricted airspace, but can be, and they
are on the VFR charts for a reason.

BT

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.

But for low level in IR training routes, we planned 540knt, 500-1500ft AGL
Those IR routes are not in MOA or restricted airspace, but can be, and they
are on the VFR charts for a reason.


I believe *all* Military training Routes (often seen abreviated as MTR) are
waived for operations exceeding 250 KIAS. In the BUFF we flew both IR and VR
routes at 360 KIAS (planned).


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
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I believe *all* Military training Routes (often seen abreviated as
MTR) are waived for operations exceeding 250 KIAS.


MTRs are established for the sole purpose of military training at airspeeds
greater than 250 KIAS.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
"BUFDRVR" wrote in message

I believe *all* Military training Routes (often seen abreviated as
MTR) are waived for operations exceeding 250 KIAS.


MTRs are established for the sole purpose of military training at airspeeds
greater than 250 KIAS.

They're also used for navigation training at airspeeds below 250 KIAS.

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
news:J4CQb.6583$ce2.314@okepread03...

They're also used for navigation training at airspeeds below 250 KIAS.


That's fine, but navigation training at airspeeds below 250 KIAS can be
conducted anywhere.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote...

MTRs are established for the sole purpose of military training at airspeeds
greater than 250 KIAS.

According to a couple FAA and USAF sources, that is true for IR and VR routes,
but not SR routes...

From the Montgomery County AFSS web site at
http://www.cxoafss.jccbi.gov/Military.htm, as well as the Buffalo AFSS site at
http://www1.faa.gov/ats/bufafss/flig.../military.htm:

SR (slow speed low altitude routes) - conducted VFR below 1,500 feet at 250
knots or less, without prior notice.

From the Acronym list at http://www.afranges.net/Chapters/appendixes.pdf and
Edwards AFB at http://www.edwards.af.mil/pim/PUBS/t...-1/atch7a.doc:

SR Slow Speed Low Altitude Training Routes

From the Dover AFB Mid-Air Collision Avoidance handbook at
http://public.dover.amc.af.mil/org/w...Printable.pdf:

Only VR routes are depicted on sectional charts. SR and IR Routes are not
shown!

"BUFDRVR" wrote...

I believe *all* Military training Routes (often seen abreviated as MTR) are
waived for operations exceeding 250 KIAS. In the BUFF we flew both IR and VR
routes at 360 KIAS (planned).

IIRC, there used to be "low speed" or "slow speed" MTRs as well; I don't know if
they still exist.

High-speed MTRs can have restrictions, but the ones I've seen are usually in the
450-480 KIAS range.

I'm an Air Force Air Traffic Controller and am currently working in
Okinawa, Japan. We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000. We usually
only worry about slowing them down if they are being sequenced to
follow another aircraft. Close to final, they will usually slow
themselves to 250 Kts or slower unless told otherwise.

Glenn


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:59:28 GMT, "Tetsuji Rai"
wrote:

Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.