Aircraft Takeoff speeds

The F4E carrying dispensers for the CBU38 (? antitank munitions) on
the inboard pylons rotated at 196 but that was a CG problem. FWIW we
got one batch of F104 tires that were built and designed to someone's
erroneous specifications (built to a newly specified design) and we
were throwing treads off brand new tires on a light-loaded zipper -
only gun ammo and 2xAIM9s aboard. That was interesting . . . Shortly
thereafter the specs were changed to a performance criterion and the
problems disappeared.

The Phantoms I flew had a tire speed limit of 190. The aircraft would take
off no flap at about 175. It's true that unstick was a problem with
forward CG, I just find it amazing it required that much speed in the
configuration you describe.

CQ fuel weight cat shots required full aft stick ... typical fighter mission
(single centerline and 2x2 missiles) full aft and then a wrist rotation
forward of that.

Of all the aircraft I've flown, only the F-4 and the TA-4 had an issue with
T/O rotation. The F-8 required very little (obvious from its
configuration).

R / John

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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Tires are built for much higher speeds -
and you can buy them for your car. A waste of money unless you have
the right car, though.

I don't think so, do you have a reference for the car tire?

While not *over* 200mph, this is close.
(Y) rated - tested to 186+mph
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.htm

Seeing as there are cars that can and will do 200+, it would stand to reason
that there are tires built for them.
http://www.fantasycars.com/McLaren_F1/mclaren_f1.html

Pete

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Tires are built for much higher speeds -
and you can buy them for your car. A waste of money unless you have
the right car, though.

I don't think so, do you have a reference for the car tire?

While not *over* 200mph, this is close.
(Y) rated - tested to 186+mph
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.htm

I believe this tire contains rubber and would not be suitable for space
vehicles.

Seeing as there are cars that can and will do 200+, it would stand to
reason
that there are tires built for them.
http://www.fantasycars.com/McLaren_F1/mclaren_f1.html

Pete

Tarver Engineering wrote:
"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Tires are built for much higher speeds -
and you can buy them for your car. A waste of money unless you have
the right car, though.

I don't think so, do you have a reference for the car tire?

While not *over* 200mph, this is close.
(Y) rated - tested to 186+mph
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.htm


I believe this tire contains rubber and would not be suitable for space
vehicles.


Seeing as there are cars that can and will do 200+, it would stand to

reason

that there are tires built for them.
http://www.fantasycars.com/McLaren_F1/mclaren_f1.html

Funny it doesn't say anything here about them not being made of rubber
http://aviation.webmichelin.com/about/space.html

John

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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Tires are built for much higher speeds -
and you can buy them for your car. A waste of money unless you have
the right car, though.

I don't think so, do you have a reference for the car tire?

While not *over* 200mph, this is close.
(Y) rated - tested to 186+mph
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.htm


I believe this tire contains rubber and would not be suitable for space
vehicles.


Seeing as there are cars that can and will do 200+, it would stand to

reason

that there are tires built for them.
http://www.fantasycars.com/McLaren_F1/mclaren_f1.html

Funny it doesn't say anything here about them not being made of rubber
http://aviation.webmichelin.com/about/space.html

Noone cares what you don't know, Mullen.

Tarver Engineering wrote:
"John Mullen" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
snip

Tires are built for much higher speeds -
and you can buy them for your car. A waste of money unless you have
the right car, though.

I don't think so, do you have a reference for the car tire?

While not *over* 200mph, this is close.
(Y) rated - tested to 186+mph
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.htm


I believe this tire contains rubber and would not be suitable for space
vehicles.



Seeing as there are cars that can and will do 200+, it would stand to

reason


that there are tires built for them.
http://www.fantasycars.com/McLaren_F1/mclaren_f1.html

Funny it doesn't say anything here about them not being made of rubber
http://aviation.webmichelin.com/about/space.html


Noone cares what you don't know, Mullen.



ISWYM. I certainly don't have such massive ignorance as you, splappy.

John

can you guys take your "tire war" to another thread please, jeeze.


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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"John Mullen" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Tires are built for much higher speeds -
and you can buy them for your car. A waste of money unless you have
the right car, though.

I don't think so, do you have a reference for the car tire?

While not *over* 200mph, this is close.
(Y) rated - tested to 186+mph
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.htm


I believe this tire contains rubber and would not be suitable for space
vehicles.



Seeing as there are cars that can and will do 200+, it would stand to

reason


that there are tires built for them.
http://www.fantasycars.com/McLaren_F1/mclaren_f1.html

Funny it doesn't say anything here about them not being made of rubber
http://aviation.webmichelin.com/about/space.html


Noone cares what you don't know, Mullen.



ISWYM. I certainly don't have such massive ignorance as you, splappy.

John

boomer wrote:
can you guys take your "tire war" to another thread please, jeeze.


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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"John Mullen" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:


"Pete" wrote in message
m...



"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Tires are built for much higher speeds -
and you can buy them for your car. A waste of money unless you have
the right car, though.

I don't think so, do you have a reference for the car tire?

While not *over* 200mph, this is close.
(Y) rated - tested to 186+mph
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.htm


I believe this tire contains rubber and would not be suitable for space
vehicles.




Seeing as there are cars that can and will do 200+, it would stand to

reason



that there are tires built for them.
http://www.fantasycars.com/McLaren_F1/mclaren_f1.html

Funny it doesn't say anything here about them not being made of rubber
http://aviation.webmichelin.com/about/space.html


Noone cares what you don't know, Mullen.



ISWYM. I certainly don't have such massive ignorance as you, splappy.

John


Can you not top-post. Jeez.

John

"John Mullen" wrote in message
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Noone cares what you don't know, Mullen.



ISWYM. I certainly don't have such massive ignorance as you, splappy.

Such sweet irony.

Let's see now, a troll of ram doesn't know something, so I must not know it.

Bwahahahahahahaha

I started the thread, I'll do as I like. Contribute or start your OWN thread
!


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boomer wrote:
can you guys take your "tire war" to another thread please, jeeze.


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"John Mullen" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:


"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Tires are built for much higher speeds -
and you can buy them for your car. A waste of money unless you
have
the right car, though.

I don't think so, do you have a reference for the car tire?

While not *over* 200mph, this is close.
(Y) rated - tested to 186+mph
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.htm


I believe this tire contains rubber and would not be suitable for
space
vehicles.




Seeing as there are cars that can and will do 200+, it would stand
to

reason



that there are tires built for them.
http://www.fantasycars.com/McLaren_F1/mclaren_f1.html

Funny it doesn't say anything here about them not being made of rubber
http://aviation.webmichelin.com/about/space.html


Noone cares what you don't know, Mullen.



ISWYM. I certainly don't have such massive ignorance as you, splappy.

John


Can you not top-post. Jeez.

John