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**Gig 601Xl Builder** · July 23rd 08, 02:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

stol wrote:

Geez... They can put a man on the moon but cannot standardize a
posting format.... Hmmm, maybe they didn't get to the moon afterall..
G

Well they kind of did standardize a posting format for USENET. Plain Text.

**stol** · July 24th 08, 03:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

On Jul 23, 7:11*am, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote:
stol wrote:

Geez... They can put a man on the moon but cannot standardize a
posting format.... Hmmm, maybe they didn't get to the moon afterall..
G

Well they kind of did standardize a posting format for USENET. Plain Text..

:)......

Ben

**Bruce A. Frank** · July 25th 08, 07:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

Truthfully Jay, it comes across to me as whether you leave the toilet
seat up or whether you leave the toilet seat down. All the changes that
can be made to my newsreader have been and I can apparently set mine up
to screen out html by detecting the codes...and this reader is at least
9 years old.

Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-07-22, Bruce A. Frank wrote:
Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.

It's not the bandwidth that's impolite. It's that not everyone reads Usenet
with a web browser. This is merely annoying when it's limited to text; it's
rude beyond belief when you include pictures and other, non-text items.

Here's what your message looks like in a pure text newsreader:

html
Wait till I post a picture! I see the net nannies are alive and vocal as
ever. Jay, I am using the news reader in Netscape 4.2. I am lucky it is
functioning at all. Please filter me out. I did not know that the Internet
Newsgroups were still arguing about the "politeness" of bandwidth.
pJay Maynard wrote:
blockquote TYPE=CITEOn 2008-07-20, Bruce A. Frank
wrote:
br<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"
br<html
br Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program
I
br use to access RAH.</html
pIt's making it through, but as HTML. This is antisocial. Please turn
off
brHTML posting in your newsreader.
br--
brJay Maynard, K5ZC       &nbs p;           
a href="http://www.conmicro.com"http://www.conmicro.com/a
bra href="http://jmaynard.livejournal.com"http://jmaynard.livejournal.com/a     
a href="http://www.tronguy.net"http://www.tronguy.net/a
brFairmont, MN (FRM)       &nb sp;       &nbsp ;       
(Yes, that's me!)
brAMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)/blockquote
/html
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

**Jay Maynard** · July 25th 08, 12:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

On 2008-07-25, Bruce A. Frank wrote:
Truthfully Jay, it comes across to me as whether you leave the toilet
seat up or whether you leave the toilet seat down. All the changes that
can be made to my newsreader have been and I can apparently set mine up
to screen out html by detecting the codes...and this reader is at least
9 years old.

It's not a matter of age or moderniy. It's a matter of courtesy to those who
read Usenet with non-HTML-capable readers. I do this deliberately, because
it allows me to read the groups from whatever computer I'm at and still
maintain my position within each group. It's also faster. Similarly, I read
email with a text-only reader from the same system, so I can do so from any
computer anywhere on the net. That renders me immune to email viruses.

I don't use an HTML-capable email or news reader for what turn out to be
very good reasons. It' not that I refuse to join the modern era at all. It's
that Usenet and email are text media, and using HTML in them is not the way
they were designed to be used. The only HTML email I get is from spammers,
and HTML email is quite likely to get dropped straight into the bit bucket.
Usenet is, if anything, even more text-only.

Please respect others' choices, and leave HTML turned off (as you have it
now).
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

**Peter Dohm** · July 26th 08, 12:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
...
On 2008-07-25, Bruce A. Frank wrote:
Truthfully Jay, it comes across to me as whether you leave the toilet
seat up or whether you leave the toilet seat down. All the changes that
can be made to my newsreader have been and I can apparently set mine up
to screen out html by detecting the codes...and this reader is at least
9 years old.

It's not a matter of age or moderniy. It's a matter of courtesy to those
who
read Usenet with non-HTML-capable readers. I do this deliberately, because
it allows me to read the groups from whatever computer I'm at and still
maintain my position within each group. It's also faster. Similarly, I
read
email with a text-only reader from the same system, so I can do so from
any
computer anywhere on the net. That renders me immune to email viruses.

I don't use an HTML-capable email or news reader for what turn out to be
very good reasons. It' not that I refuse to join the modern era at all.
It's
that Usenet and email are text media, and using HTML in them is not the
way
they were designed to be used. The only HTML email I get is from spammers,
and HTML email is quite likely to get dropped straight into the bit
bucket.
Usenet is, if anything, even more text-only.

Please respect others' choices, and leave HTML turned off (as you have it
now).
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

All very well said!

Peter

**Bruce A. Frank** · July 30th 08, 09:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

Hmm, I thought HTML *IS* text.

Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-07-25, Bruce A. Frank wrote:
Truthfully Jay, it comes across to me as whether you leave the toilet
seat up or whether you leave the toilet seat down. All the changes that
can be made to my newsreader have been and I can apparently set mine up
to screen out html by detecting the codes...and this reader is at least
9 years old.

It's not a matter of age or moderniy. It's a matter of courtesy to those who
read Usenet with non-HTML-capable readers. I do this deliberately, because
it allows me to read the groups from whatever computer I'm at and still
maintain my position within each group. It's also faster. Similarly, I read
email with a text-only reader from the same system, so I can do so from any
computer anywhere on the net. That renders me immune to email viruses.

I don't use an HTML-capable email or news reader for what turn out to be
very good reasons. It' not that I refuse to join the modern era at all. It's
that Usenet and email are text media, and using HTML in them is not the way
they were designed to be used. The only HTML email I get is from spammers,
and HTML email is quite likely to get dropped straight into the bit bucket.
Usenet is, if anything, even more text-only.

Please respect others' choices, and leave HTML turned off (as you have it
now).
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

**cavelamb himself[_4_]** · July 30th 08, 10:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

Bruce A. Frank wrote:
Hmm, I thought HTML *IS* text.

Well, it is, and it ain't.

Yes, it's all ASCII text, but HTML has LOTS of extra stuff (albeit text)
to mark up the "text".

For instance "Hello World" in text... 11 bytes.

vs

HTML
HEAD
!-- $MVD$:app("MicroVision WebExpress","769") --
!-- $MVD$:template("","0","0") --
!-- $MVD$:fontset("Comic Sans","Comic Sans MS","Comic Sans","Times
New Roman") --
TITLEUntitled/TITLE
/HEAD
BODY
P
FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans,Times New Roman"!--
$MVD$:spaceretainer() -- /FONT/P
P
TABLE WIDTH="100%" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="0" BORDER="0"
TR
TD WIDTH="100%" VALIGN=TOP
P
FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS,Comic Sans,Times New Roman"FONT
SIZE="6"H/FONTello
FONT SIZE="6"W/FONTorld!/FONT/TD
/TR
/TABLE
/BODY
/HTML

This is what HTML could look like to a text browser.

Can you find the message in there?

**Steve Hix** · July 30th 08, 07:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

In article ,
"Bruce A. Frank" wrote:

Hmm, I thought HTML *IS* text.

Readability is compromised by the markup in it.

Sort of like trying to read a slightly- to extremely-foreign language,
depending on the degree of pretty-printing, or lack of it, in the text.

-S

**Highflyer** · November 8th 08, 06:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt

"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:07:17 GMT, "Bruce A. Frank"
wrote:

!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"
html
Is this post making it through? Having some problems with the program I
use to access RAH./html

reading your message in 'free agent' doesnt work.
the body of the message seems to be some sort of attachment.
I've never been able to read it.
hope you get it fixed.
Stealth Pilot

My program, when I replied to it, asked me if I really wanted to
continue and send it to the newsgroup in HTML since may newsreaders have
problems with HTML text. It recommended I
recast it as text only.

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

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