Let's move on

terry writes:

If I have a debate I expect the outcome to be one of 3 possibilities.

1. I have been proved wrong and I acknowledge that and appreciate the
fact that I have learned something
2. I have proved the other person wrong, and they acknowledge that
and I gain some personal satisfaction that I have helped someone, and that
perhaps in 200 or so hours of piloting an aeroplane I might have actually
learned a thing or two.
3. The debate is about something that there is no right or wrong
answer and both parties agree to disagree.

Your error is in (2), because you not only want to prove someone wrong, but
you want your ego to be stroked with an unwarranted recognition of the
questionable value of your hours of experience. Without the ego boost, you
aren't satisfied.

I occasionally show that someone is wrong about something, but anything beyond
an acknowledgement of that is superfluous to me, and even the acknowledgement
is only useful for closure and not absolutely essential.

Anthony does not realize when he is wrong, and incapable of acknowledging
his own obvious shortcomings.

On Aug 14, 8:28*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

I occasionally show that someone is wrong about something,

Anthony, serious question.
Why do you not ever admit you are wrong when you are wrong so many
times?

Ricky

I just got back from teaching short & soft field takeoff & landings.

Just thought I'd throw some aviation content in....



"Tim" wrote in message
...
"Viperdoc" wrote

For the real pilots and students, I suggest joining Pilots of America, a
moderated group. It is what this NG used to be, before it was ruined by
Anthony and his likes.


It wasn't so much ruined by Mx as much as those who cannot take a pass on
endlessly arguing with him over some ridiculous detail, or have made it
their mission to expose him as a non-pilot, all with the seemingly
honorable
goal of protecting the helpless student who might read something here and
then die as a result.

What a crock. Anyone with half a brain knows how to treat information
posted on a newsgroup, or anywhere else online for that matter. They
don't
need help from a few crusaders.

On Aug 14, 4:59*am, "Tim" wrote:
"Viperdoc" wrote



For the real pilots and students, I suggest joining Pilots of America, a
moderated group. It is what this NG used to be, before it was ruined by
Anthony and his likes.

It wasn't so much ruined by Mx as much as those who cannot take a pass on
endlessly arguing with him over some ridiculous detail, or have made it
their mission to expose him as a non-pilot, all with the seemingly honorable
goal of protecting the helpless student who might read something here and
then die as a result.

What a crock. *Anyone with half a brain knows how to treat information
posted on a newsgroup, or anywhere else online for that matter. *They don't
need help from a few crusaders.

After reading this, I totally agree, and I have been one of the worst
at engaging Anthony lately. What a waste of time I have participated
in!
I will not engage Anthony or Maxwell any longer. I do feel badly for
them, though, as they demonstrate very deeply troubled & disturbed
lives. I really do enjoy the aviation here and that's why I lurk, post
& respond, or at least it should be.

Anyone who leaves rec.aviation.piloting because of a few idiots is
participating in the crock you mentioned above. The idiots here will
not have that kind of power over me, and shouldn't over anyone else.
Yes, It's a shame that we have to wade through the mire of MX, Maxwell
& others, but that's what focus, willpower, and your killfile are for.

I just purchased Agent so as soon as I figure out how to configure
this maddening newsreader I will have a killfile, too, as well as a
real newsreader. I've had Free Agent in the past but alas, It is no
more. Now I can't get AT&T to figure out their newsserver's name and
address & I have tried the ones on AT&T's website to no avail. I keep
getting failure notices from Agent when I try to download Usenet
groups & messages. I'll figure out (again) how to get Agent running
here in the next day or two, might even post a question or two if I
need help. I can't wait to get off of Google for good!

If everyone here would ignore MX, Max. and others they would probably
disappear. I notice that the recent activity of some idiots is being
largely ignored which is great. Keep it up! Here is my pledge to
completely ignore all but constructive, entertaining discussion.

Ricky

Ricky wrote in
:

On Aug 14, 4:59*am, "Tim" wrote:
"Viperdoc" wrote



For the real pilots and students, I suggest joining Pilots of
America,
a
moderated group. It is what this NG used to be, before it was
ruined by Anthony and his likes.

It wasn't so much ruined by Mx as much as those who cannot take a
pass on endlessly arguing with him over some ridiculous detail, or
have made it their mission to expose him as a non-pilot, all with the
seemingly honora
ble
goal of protecting the helpless student who might read something here
and then die as a result.

What a crock. *Anyone with half a brain knows how to treat
information posted on a newsgroup, or anywhere else online for that
matter. *They d
on't
need help from a few crusaders.

After reading this, I totally agree, and I have been one of the worst
at engaging Anthony lately. What a waste of time I have participated
in!
I will not engage Anthony or Maxwell any longer. I do feel badly for
them, though, as they demonstrate very deeply troubled & disturbed
lives. I really do enjoy the aviation here and that's why I lurk, post
& respond, or at least it should be.

Anyone who leaves rec.aviation.piloting because of a few idiots is
participating in the crock you mentioned above. The idiots here will
not have that kind of power over me, and shouldn't over anyone else.
Yes, It's a shame that we have to wade through the mire of MX, Maxwell
& others, but that's what focus, willpower, and your killfile are for.

I just purchased Agent so as soon as I figure out how to configure
this maddening newsreader I will have a killfile, too, as well as a
real newsreader.


You bought agent? It's for free all over the place!
Do yourself a favor and get X-news. It's like agent, but without the
problems.

Bertie

On Aug 19, 4:38*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ricky wrote :





On Aug 14, 4:59*am, "Tim" wrote:
"Viperdoc" wrote

For the real pilots and students, I suggest joining Pilots of
America,
a
moderated group. It is what this NG used to be, before it was
ruined by Anthony and his likes.

It wasn't so much ruined by Mx as much as those who cannot take a
pass on endlessly arguing with him over some ridiculous detail, or
have made it their mission to expose him as a non-pilot, all with the
seemingly honora
ble
goal of protecting the helpless student who might read something here
and then die as a result.

What a crock. *Anyone with half a brain knows how to treat
information posted on a newsgroup, or anywhere else online for that
matter. *They d
on't
need help from a few crusaders.

After reading this, I totally agree, and I have been one of the worst
at engaging Anthony lately. What a waste of time I have participated
in!
I will not engage Anthony or Maxwell any longer. I do feel badly for
them, though, as they demonstrate very deeply troubled & disturbed
lives. I really do enjoy the aviation here and that's why I lurk, post
& respond, or at least it should be.

Anyone who leaves rec.aviation.piloting because of a few idiots is
participating in the crock you mentioned above. The idiots here will
not have that kind of power over me, and shouldn't over anyone else.
Yes, It's a shame that we have to wade through the mire of MX, Maxwell
& others, but that's what focus, willpower, and your killfile are for.

I just purchased Agent so as soon as I figure out how to configure
this maddening newsreader I will have a killfile, too, as well as a
real newsreader.

You bought agent? It's for free all over the place!
Do yourself a favor and get X-news. It's like agent, but without the
problems.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you mean that AGENT (specifically) is "free all over the place" or
do you mean free newsreaders?
I did recently look at many free and not-free newsreaders (X-News
among them) and looked at the interfaces (if examples were available),
read a little about them (including mostly user & former user
comments), and decided to go with what I had for many years which was
Free Agent. Well, I have Agent because Free Agent is no more but It's
basically the same interface with more features than Free Agent. I
really liked Agent and am used to it and they seemed to get the most
praise amongst what I read before plopping down my $20-something. X-
News did receive lots of good comments, too.

I'd be interested in what you say are Agent's problems since they give
a 30 day money-back test drive (which I'm on), understanding that I
rarely go far beyond reading, posting and replying to 3 Usenet groups
under 3 I.D.s

Ricky

Ricky wrote in
:

On Aug 19, 4:38*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ricky wrote
innews:34b68327-8bce-40b2-b3ca-85d2
:





On Aug 14, 4:59*am, "Tim" wrote:
"Viperdoc" wrote

For the real pilots and students, I suggest joining Pilots of
America,
a
moderated group. It is what this NG used to be, before it was
ruined by Anthony and his likes.

It wasn't so much ruined by Mx as much as those who cannot take a
pass on endlessly arguing with him over some ridiculous detail, or
have made it their mission to expose him as a non-pilot, all with
the seemingly honora
ble
goal of protecting the helpless student who might read something
here and then die as a result.

What a crock. *Anyone with half a brain knows how to treat
information posted on a newsgroup, or anywhere else online for
that matter. *They d
on't
need help from a few crusaders.

After reading this, I totally agree, and I have been one of the
worst at engaging Anthony lately. What a waste of time I have
participated in!
I will not engage Anthony or Maxwell any longer. I do feel badly
for them, though, as they demonstrate very deeply troubled &
disturbed lives. I really do enjoy the aviation here and that's why
I lurk, post & respond, or at least it should be.

Anyone who leaves rec.aviation.piloting because of a few idiots is
participating in the crock you mentioned above. The idiots here
will not have that kind of power over me, and shouldn't over anyone
else. Yes, It's a shame that we have to wade through the mire of
MX, Maxwell & others, but that's what focus, willpower, and your
killfile are for.

I just purchased Agent so as soon as I figure out how to configure
this maddening newsreader I will have a killfile, too, as well as a
real newsreader.

You bought agent? It's for free all over the place!
Do yourself a favor and get X-news. It's like agent, but without the
problems.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you mean that AGENT (specifically) is "free all over the place" or
do you mean free newsreaders?

I meant Free Agent, actually. Sorry it was just beyond me that someone
would pay for one!


I did recently look at many free and not-free newsreaders (X-News
among them) and looked at the interfaces (if examples were available),
read a little about them (including mostly user & former user
comments), and decided to go with what I had for many years which was
Free Agent. Well, I have Agent because Free Agent is no more but It's
basically the same interface with more features than Free Agent. I
really liked Agent and am used to it and they seemed to get the most
praise amongst what I read before plopping down my $20-something. X-
News did receive lots of good comments, too.

I'd be interested in what you say are Agent's problems since they give
a 30 day money-back test drive (which I'm on), understanding that I
rarely go far beyond reading, posting and replying to 3 Usenet groups
under 3 I.D.s


I've only used free agent myself, so when I mentioned problems, and they
were negligable IMO I meant those that fre agent had.
X-news is the best I've used and it was also free... Hard to imagine
something better for me.


Bertie

Ricky schrieb:
I'd be interested in what you say are Agent's problems since they give
a 30 day money-back test drive (which I'm on), understanding that I
rarely go far beyond reading, posting and replying to 3 Usenet groups
under 3 I.D.s

what I read he
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.ph...2571C800049E02
this gives really good possibilities: if a posting is x-posted to
*.kook* or *.flonk* then killfile the posting. This and a couple more
rules will do the job, IMHO.

#m

Ricky schrieb:
I just purchased Agent so as soon as I figure out how to configure
this maddening newsreader I will have a killfile, too, as well as a
real newsreader. I've had Free Agent in the past but alas, It is no
more. Now I can't get AT&T to figure out their newsserver's name and
address & I have tried the ones on AT&T's website to no avail. I keep
getting failure notices from Agent when I try to download Usenet
groups & messages. I'll figure out (again) how to get Agent running
here in the next day or two, might even post a question or two if I
need help. I can't wait to get off of Google for good!

you can also try out Mozilla Thunderbird www.mozilla.com; free, too. But
the filtering is limited to "from" only. Maybe I'll try agent, too.

If you need access to a newsreader and can't come to a solution with
AT&T you may contact me (my firstname @ my lastname dot com) and I'll
give you free access on my newsserver.

Ricky

#m