Viable alternatives for serious aviation discussion

buttman wrote:
On Aug 19, 5:13 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Once again I will post below for anyone interested in serious aviation
related discussion the following alternative web based newsgroups. I
will repost this notice periodically.
Many of the pilots who used to post here are now posting at the
following forums. It's a slightly different format from Usenet but in
lieu of what's happening on RAP, you just might want to take a look at
these alternatives.

Reading the answers that follow this post might help to serve as an
added incentive for you to give these groups a try. :-))

--
Dudley Henriqueshttp://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/index.phphttp://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php

Also, Jim Logajan is experimenting with setting up a Google Group.

OK we get it you don't like Usenet anymore. Please don't spam the
group about it.

Life is full of choices. The person reading this could have been engaged
on the forums suggested in discussions on angle of attack, student
training, pre-solo instruction, tail wheel transition, and assorted
other topics being actively discussed.
Not for everybody for you obviously, but others may find the dialog a
bit more challenging than that which you offer here.

More about "Buttman" pasted in below for anyone interested;




D Henriques writes;
Although I have elaborated on this several times before on these forums,
I'll be more than happy to do it again here and now so that there can be
absolutely no misunderstanding as to why I view you as incompetent as a CFI.

You posted AS a CFI on these forums asking if shutting down the fuel on
takeoff with a student was a "good idea". You did this by your own word
in your initial post on the issue AFTER you had already done it with at
least one student. So right off the bat, you, posting as a CFI, were
asking a forum of pilots whether or not something you had already done
with a student was a good idea. This in itself constitutes extremely
poor PIC/CFI judgment as it establishes that you performed a specific
procedure with a student in the aircraft that at the moment you
performed that procedure you were not sure was safe and correct to perform.
This alone would disqualify you with me as a potential CFI hire.

Now, on to the rest of it.

When the fallacy of what you did was pointed out to you not only by
myself, but several other CFI's, instead of accepting the fact that what
you did might have been unsafe, you instead have consistently and ever
since not only attempted to defend the procedure with statements about
the length of the runway etc, but have actively engaged in an open
attempt to portray me as a know it all with some kind of a superiority
complex.

In summation, what you did by shutting down the fuel on take off with a
student was bad enough, as it's not necessary to do this to stress a
point and/or demonstrate an engine failure on takeoff. The reason for
this is quite simple. NO good instructor EVER deliberately puts a
student in a situation that purposely reduces or alters the existing
flight safety options. By selecting the fuel selector valve to OFF on
the takeoff roll, you deliberately put the student in unnecessary danger
by altering the escape option if power was needed to extricate the
aircraft from any unsafe condition that might arise on that takeoff.

What you did was not only unnecessary, it was unsafe!

The fact that you have chosen to challenge rather than simply thank the
instructors who have attempted to set you straight is an indication of a
personality trait I find freightening in a CFI.

I hope this post has answered any questions both you and others might
have had concerning this issue.
As you can see, I have addressed it quite clearly.




--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...


More about "Buttman" pasted in below for anyone interested;



More about Dudley the Spammer, for anyone interested. Check out the threads
related to these postings.

He has tried to dilute the group before, touting the wondrous groups
elsewhere, but always seems to return.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dudley Henriques"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: Just a simple announcement for for students


Just a few lines to let you know that if for any reason you student
pilots and the pilots and instructors who frequent this Usenet forum and
have devoted their time and effort freely attempting to make aviation
safer and educational wish to explore an alternative venue forum that is
moderated by aviation people, friendly to your questions and those who
answer you, you might wish to consider adding the online forum "Pilots
of America" to your list of places to hang out and exchange information.

I have explored this alternate venue and have found it to be quite
useful and seriously devoted to the aviation format.

Those interested in serious aviation discussion might wish to take note
of any and all off topic, ad hominem, and vitriolic posting that takes
place under this simple announcement post in deciding whether exploring
this new venue might be a worthwhile expenditure of your time. :-))))))

I will continue to post here as always if for no other reason than to
allow those students who are serious about aviation to be able to
compare the Usenet experience to the potential alternative experience of
the moderated aviation forum format.

Hope to see you over at Pilots of America.
--
Dudley Henriques


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dudley Henriques"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Choices continued; Another great moderated pilots forum


For those interested in additional alternatives to Usenet, I have
already mentioned the Pilots of America forum and a lot of you have
checked in there.
Another great moderated forum for pilots interested in friendly,
educational, and serious aviation discussion is the "Purple Forums".
The links for Pilots of America and purple Forums are listed below.

Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
information. These are simply non profit moderated alternatives where
serious pilots, students, and those interested in aviation generally
have gathered to enjoy each other's company and exchange useful
information in a venue a bit different than what is happening here on
Usenet.

By all means make your own choices.
Possibly reading what will most likely appear under this post might help
some of you with making that choice :-))

Best to all here;
Dudley Henriques


http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum...isplay.php?f=5

http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php
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5 by 5 wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...

More about "Buttman" pasted in below for anyone interested;



More about Dudley the Spammer, for anyone interested. Check out the threads
related to these postings.

He has tried to dilute the group before, touting the wondrous groups
elsewhere, but always seems to return.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dudley Henriques"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: Just a simple announcement for for students


Just a few lines to let you know that if for any reason you student
pilots and the pilots and instructors who frequent this Usenet forum and
have devoted their time and effort freely attempting to make aviation
safer and educational wish to explore an alternative venue forum that is
moderated by aviation people, friendly to your questions and those who
answer you, you might wish to consider adding the online forum "Pilots
of America" to your list of places to hang out and exchange information.

I have explored this alternate venue and have found it to be quite
useful and seriously devoted to the aviation format.

Those interested in serious aviation discussion might wish to take note
of any and all off topic, ad hominem, and vitriolic posting that takes
place under this simple announcement post in deciding whether exploring
this new venue might be a worthwhile expenditure of your time. :-))))))

I will continue to post here as always if for no other reason than to
allow those students who are serious about aviation to be able to
compare the Usenet experience to the potential alternative experience of
the moderated aviation forum format.

Hope to see you over at Pilots of America.
--
Dudley Henriques


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dudley Henriques"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Choices continued; Another great moderated pilots forum


For those interested in additional alternatives to Usenet, I have
already mentioned the Pilots of America forum and a lot of you have
checked in there.
Another great moderated forum for pilots interested in friendly,
educational, and serious aviation discussion is the "Purple Forums".
The links for Pilots of America and purple Forums are listed below.

Please note it is not my intention to destroy this forum by posting this
information. These are simply non profit moderated alternatives where
serious pilots, students, and those interested in aviation generally
have gathered to enjoy each other's company and exchange useful
information in a venue a bit different than what is happening here on
Usenet.

By all means make your own choices.
Possibly reading what will most likely appear under this post might help
some of you with making that choice :-))

Best to all here;
Dudley Henriques


http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum...isplay.php?f=5

http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php
--





Please continue posting these comments from me. It saves me from doing
it myself.
Thanks

--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...

Please continue posting these comments from me. It saves me from doing it
myself.
Thanks

--
Dudley Henriques

What ever it takes to highlight the self centered spammer you really are.

On Aug 19, 1:23 pm, "5 by 5" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:

He has tried to dilute the group before, touting the wondrous groups
elsewhere, but always seems to return.


Can't speak for DH, but my purpose in plugging the AOPA forum has
nothing to do with a desire to "dilute the group". Granted, it may
have that effect, but that is not the motivation. My motivation is to
help people that are like me (i.e. looking for real discussion) find
what they need. I'll still check this NG, but I want others
(especially fellow students) to know what else is out there.

Rocky Stevens wrote:
On Aug 19, 1:23 pm, "5 by 5" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:
He has tried to dilute the group before, touting the wondrous groups
elsewhere, but always seems to return.


Can't speak for DH, but my purpose in plugging the AOPA forum has
nothing to do with a desire to "dilute the group". Granted, it may
have that effect, but that is not the motivation. My motivation is to
help people that are like me (i.e. looking for real discussion) find
what they need. I'll still check this NG, but I want others
(especially fellow students) to know what else is out there.

This is exactly my motivation as well. I have no desire to see RAP
ruined. The other regulars who have posted dissatisfaction with what's
going on here don't wish to see the forum ruined either. I WOULD like to
see it return to the way it used to be however, and since that might not
be happening all that quickly based on the current crop of posters we
have on the forum, and since most of us here come here for the express
purpose of discussing aviation related matters, I feel the suggestion
for alternative forums that are free of what's going on here is not only
justified but prudent.
Those of us who have "left" this newsgroup haven't actually left at all.
All of us check back in quite often to see how things are going. Some of
us, like myself, will either pass if it looks REAL bad, or in my case
anyway, if I see some moron taking my name in vain, I'll post a GFU post
in disgust.
I believe that IF the time comes when what's going on here stops going
on here, those of us who have "left" will certainly return.
I would imagine that this time will come when we open this forum and see
one subject header after another from those who are NOT discussing
aviation in a long list of unanswered subject headers.
But......as of now, it's anyone's guess as to when this will happen.
No sweat for me anyway.

--
Dudley Henriques

"Rocky Stevens" wrote in message
news:5a2ac3eb-48df-45d5-acd1-
Can't speak for DH, but my purpose in plugging the AOPA forum has
nothing to do with a desire to "dilute the group". Granted, it may
have that effect, but that is not the motivation. My motivation is to
help people that are like me (i.e. looking for real discussion) find
what they need. I'll still check this NG, but I want others
(especially fellow students) to know what else is out there.

Bull****. Your just a sock for MX. Nothing lowing in the food chain around
here, I can assure you.

buttman wrote in
:

On Aug 19, 5:13*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Once again I will post below for anyone interested in serious
aviation related discussion the following alternative web based
newsgroups. I will repost this notice periodically.
Many of the pilots who used to post here are now posting at the
following forums. It's a slightly different format from Usenet but in
lieu of what's happening on RAP, you just might want to take a look
at these alternatives.

Reading the answers that follow this post might help to serve as an
added incentive for you to give these groups a try. :-))

--
Dudley
Henriqueshttp://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/index.phphttp://www.
purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php

Also, Jim Logajan is experimenting with setting up a Google Group.

OK we get it you don't like Usenet anymore. Please don't spam the
group about it.


Like you'd even know what spam is, you fjukktard


Bertie

Dudley Henriques writes:

Many of the pilots who used to post here are now posting at the
following forums. It's a slightly different format from Usenet but in
lieu of what's happening on RAP, you just might want to take a look at
these alternatives.

Reading the answers that follow this post might help to serve as an
added incentive for you to give these groups a try. :-))

Pilots who have left this newsgroup will be replaced by more pilots. There
are plenty of pilots in the world.

Moderated forums and groups typically have a stifling atmosphere,
unfortunately.

I can count the number of pilots I know on my appendages without taking off
my pants. I know THOUSANDS of airplane drivers, though.

Jim




Pilots who have left this newsgroup will be replaced by more pilots.
There
are plenty of pilots in the world.