Do CAP members salute?

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They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell are
as
crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to be a
security gaurd in a mall.

Bertie

I hate to admit it but Bertie is right on with this one..

I tried the local CAP to be helpful, find and hopefully save a
life. Turned out they are a group of military wanna be's who have
control of a AirForce owned plane and dictate who can play in their
sandbox. First, that plane belongs to ALL of us, they have strick
rules like, " a member needs to be height/weight proportionate. The
state commander was a walking heart attack and at my first and only
SAREX, 90% of the group was 300 lbs +. So much for rules G. The last
straw was their overwhelming desire for protocal, If I am going to
risk my life looking for missing people and planes I would expect them
to respect the general population and give some leeway in the fact
that all volunteer citizans don't have time to go home, get dressed in
their approved monkey suits and meet at the office to start a search.
Hell by that time the party we are looking for are dead !!! And look
at their safety record... Dismal at best. If I am going to get killed
it sure as hell ain't gonna be by some uniform wearing low time
assholes..... Let's see. the Wyoming wing of the Cival Air Patrol has
in the last couple of years has killed 4 humans, destroyed two
perfectly good planes, both by total stupidity.. I have been flying
and have yet to even put a single scratch on anything but I seem to be
not qualified to fly their,-- oops, our planes. To be fair there is a
few good guys and gals in the CAP, but,,,,,,,,the VAST majority
though are as Bertie puts it " crazy as bedbugs"

On the other side of that coin there are those who expect to join CAP and
think they have a "right" to start flying missions the next day because they
have X number of ratings or whatever, or they are simply a low time pilot
who wants to fly CAP planes on the cheap, yet contribute nothing to the
organization. Or they simply join up one day and expect the organization to
bend around them rather than wanting to be part of a team. Many of them
wind up like you and quit. Good ridance, I say. CAP has over 500 aircraft
in their fleet, so it should come as no surprise that they are going to
auger one in now and then. The nature of the business involves some level
of risk. Of the crashes you mentioned, all involved very experienced and
competent pilots. Perhaps they did do something stupid, but if you think
you are smarter than they were, or a better pilot, you have the type of
attitude that often leads to a smoking crater at the end of your flying
career.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Viperdoc" wrote in
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| The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
| variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform, two
| Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a local
| disaster drill.
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| Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had a
| first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are you,
| good day, or something similar. He certainly would have been welcome
| to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with some ways we could
| work with CAP and the military to enhance our disaster preparedness.
|
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| They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell are
as
| crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to be a
| security gaurd in a mall.
|
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| Bertie

How can you tell when someone is crazy. You have no frame of reference.

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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| The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be variable.
| Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform, two Air Force and
| one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a local disaster drill.
|
| Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had a first
| lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are you, good day, or
| something similar. He certainly would have been welcome to stand with us,
| share ideas, and come up with some ways we could work with CAP and the
| military to enhance our disaster preparedness.
|
| However, he basically walked right past us, never said a word (or
saluted),
| and simply walked away. I have seen this on other occasions, and it gives
| the impression that the CAP guys want to remain autonomous and not really
| act as part of the Air Force.
|
| Perhaps they are intimidated by actual members of the military, or perhaps
| they were former enlisted that now wear an officer's uniform but feel
| uncomfortable doing so.
|
| It just strikes me that if we (CAP and the Air Force) worked more closely,
| it would be to everyone's benefit.
|
|

Stop whining and grow up.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Viperdoc" wrote in
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| I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and
| adults were present in uniform.
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| As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to salute
| officers etc?
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| Yep
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| Bertie

gotta link dikk ed.

"Viperdoc" wrote:
I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and
adults were present in uniform.

As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to salute
officers etc? Are members of the Air Force supposed to salute CAP
members of higher rank?

Walking around at these functions it is sometimes hard to tell who
rates a salute or not.

Just salute the people who are paying the bills for the event. They are
almost certainly not in uniform.

"The great thing about being a civilian is that you outrank people like
generals and colonels." - line from an episode of "The Rockford Files".

On Sep 20, 1:39*pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:
I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and adults
were present in uniform.

As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to salute
officers etc? Are members of the Air Force supposed to salute CAP members of
higher rank?

Walking around at these functions it is sometimes hard to tell who rates a
salute or not.

Suppose to. Remember that when you are on an AF base 90% of those on
the base have no idea what CAP is and assume you are active duty. The
uniform differences are very slight.

-Robert

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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|I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and adults
| were present in uniform.
|
| As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to salute
| officers etc? Are members of the Air Force supposed to salute CAP members
of
| higher rank?
|
| Walking around at these functions it is sometimes hard to tell who rates a
| salute or not.
|
|

Aaahwwww, poor baby. Did someone forget to salute doctorjetpilot?

Maybe they recognized you.

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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|I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and
|adults
| were present in uniform.
|
| As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to
| salute officers etc? Are members of the Air Force supposed to salute
| CAP members
of
| higher rank?
|
| Walking around at these functions it is sometimes hard to tell who
| rates a salute or not.
|
|

Aaahwwww, poor baby. Did someone forget to salute doctorjetpilot?

Maybe they recognized you.



God knows what they'd do if they recognised you.

I;d rather not think about it myself.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news |
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| "Viperdoc" wrote in message
| ...
| |I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and
| |adults
| | were present in uniform.
| |
| | As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to
| | salute officers etc? Are members of the Air Force supposed to salute
| | CAP members
| of
| | higher rank?
| |
| | Walking around at these functions it is sometimes hard to tell who
| | rates a salute or not.
| |
| |
|
| Aaahwwww, poor baby. Did someone forget to salute doctorjetpilot?
|
| Maybe they recognized you.
|
|
|
| God knows what they'd do if they recognised you.
|
| I;d rather not think about it myself.
|
|
| Bertie

Viperdoc wrote:

As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to salute
officers etc? Are members of the Air Force supposed to salute CAP members
of higher rank?

....I don't mean to be throwing additional gasoline to the flames, but you
didn't say where you were standing when you noticed the lack of salute from
said CAP members nor what they were doing at the time: if they were
carrying something, or on the flightline, or attending a public gathering
such as a sport event (or an airshow!) then they may have known something
about military customs that you didn't :-)

In fact, from the little information you described, i.e., attending a
sport event/airshow, the CAP members you saw were following the protocol
to the letter, as described in excruciating details in CAP pamphlet 15
(E) -- Section A.2.b.

end of discussions, you are dismissed :-)

--Sylvain