Just push the blue button!

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in
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Cirrus has added a new auto level button on their latest planes. Will
a button on the stick that you push to automatically reset the plane
to straight and level make any difference on Cirrus accidents or is it
just a gimmick? What say you?


Great, now peoaple as dumb as anthony wil start flying.


Bertie

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:28:05 -0400, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

Cirrus has added a new auto level button on their latest planes. Will a
button on the stick that you push to automatically reset the plane to
straight and level make any difference on Cirrus accidents or is it just a
gimmick? What say you?
************************************************** ***********

Darkwing

I'm told that some of the latest Fighters have a sensor that detects
if the pilot blacks out due to the high 'G's' the newest fighters can
pull and hold and that it returns the aircraft to level flight at
cruise power settings, automatically.

I know of several accidents that would have been prevented if that
system had been in plane as the performance of Fighters increased and
they could hold sustained high "G's" at structural limit.

The F-20, two of which were lost due to, "G" induced pilot
incapacitation.

First was at Goose Bay, Labrador. Bird was on way to Paris Air Show
and pilot went up to practice his show routine. After some maneuvers
bird flew into ground in a long shallow glide angle and accident
report cited pilot blackout as cause.

The second was in Korea when a Koran General was being given a demo
ride. Same thing and two more fatalities.

The last, of three built, was given to the Air and Space Gallery in
LA when Air Force and overseas sales did not materialize and F-16 was
bought instead. Politics was involved as the F-20 out classed F-16 in
many respects.

Big John

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:12:29 -0500, Tech Support wrote:

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:28:05 -0400, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

Cirrus has added a new auto level button on their latest planes. Will a
button on the stick that you push to automatically reset the plane to
straight and level make any difference on Cirrus accidents or is it just a
gimmick? What say you?
************************************************* ************

Darkwing

I'm told that some of the latest Fighters have a sensor that detects
if the pilot blacks out due to the high 'G's' the newest fighters can
pull and hold and that it returns the aircraft to level flight at
cruise power settings, automatically.

I know of several accidents that would have been prevented if that
system had been in plane as the performance of Fighters increased and
they could hold sustained high "G's" at structural limit.

The F-20, two of which were lost due to, "G" induced pilot
incapacitation.

First was at Goose Bay, Labrador. Bird was on way to Paris Air Show
and pilot went up to practice his show routine. After some maneuvers
bird flew into ground in a long shallow glide angle and accident
report cited pilot blackout as cause.

The second was in Korea when a Koran General was being given a demo
ride. Same thing and two more fatalities.

The last, of three built, was given to the Air and Space Gallery in
LA when Air Force and overseas sales did not materialize and F-16 was
bought instead. Politics was involved as the F-20 out classed F-16 in
many respects.

Big John
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Some more data on the auto recovery feature.

The F-36 has it.

Birds structual limits are +14 and -6 'G's".

Auto recovery feature puts bird in a slight climb at 300 kts until
pilot recovers and retakes control.

Big John

"Tech Support" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:28:05 -0400, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

Cirrus has added a new auto level button on their latest planes. Will a
button on the stick that you push to automatically reset the plane to
straight and level make any difference on Cirrus accidents or is it just a
gimmick? What say you?
************************************************** ***********

Darkwing

I'm told that some of the latest Fighters have a sensor that detects
if the pilot blacks out due to the high 'G's' the newest fighters can
pull and hold and that it returns the aircraft to level flight at
cruise power settings, automatically.

I know of several accidents that would have been prevented if that
system had been in plane as the performance of Fighters increased and
they could hold sustained high "G's" at structural limit.

The F-20, two of which were lost due to, "G" induced pilot
incapacitation.

First was at Goose Bay, Labrador. Bird was on way to Paris Air Show
and pilot went up to practice his show routine. After some maneuvers
bird flew into ground in a long shallow glide angle and accident
report cited pilot blackout as cause.

The second was in Korea when a Koran General was being given a demo
ride. Same thing and two more fatalities.

The last, of three built, was given to the Air and Space Gallery in
LA when Air Force and overseas sales did not materialize and F-16 was
bought instead. Politics was involved as the F-20 out classed F-16 in
many respects.

Big John

That's rather like comparing a formula one race car to the family sedan and
saying what is a great idea for one is automatically a great idea for the
other.

It very well may be a great idea, but you certainly can't justify it using a
military aircraft as an example. There's not too many Cirrus pilots who are
likely to experience a G induced blackout, and even if they did they
probably will have bigger problems to worry about anyway.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:53:05 GMT, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com
wrote:

"Tech Support" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:28:05 -0400, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

Cirrus has added a new auto level button on their latest planes. Will a
button on the stick that you push to automatically reset the plane to
straight and level make any difference on Cirrus accidents or is it just a
gimmick? What say you?
************************************************** ***********

Darkwing

I'm told that some of the latest Fighters have a sensor that detects
if the pilot blacks out due to the high 'G's' the newest fighters can
pull and hold and that it returns the aircraft to level flight at
cruise power settings, automatically.

I know of several accidents that would have been prevented if that
system had been in plane as the performance of Fighters increased and
they could hold sustained high "G's" at structural limit.

The F-20, two of which were lost due to, "G" induced pilot
incapacitation.

First was at Goose Bay, Labrador. Bird was on way to Paris Air Show
and pilot went up to practice his show routine. After some maneuvers
bird flew into ground in a long shallow glide angle and accident
report cited pilot blackout as cause.

The second was in Korea when a Koran General was being given a demo
ride. Same thing and two more fatalities.

The last, of three built, was given to the Air and Space Gallery in
LA when Air Force and overseas sales did not materialize and F-16 was
bought instead. Politics was involved as the F-20 out classed F-16 in
many respects.

Big John

That's rather like comparing a formula one race car to the family sedan and
saying what is a great idea for one is automatically a great idea for the
other.

It very well may be a great idea, but you certainly can't justify it using a
military aircraft as an example. There's not too many Cirrus pilots who are
likely to experience a G induced blackout, and even if they did they
probably will have bigger problems to worry about anyway.
************************************************** *****

Mike

Sorry. Didn't mean to advocate putting a military system in Ga but
original question was about a blue button that would recover Cirrus
aircraft. My post was to show that a system was in operation that
would do it in heavy iron (either automatically or pilot activated) so
technology is there.

Big John

"Big John" wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:53:05 GMT, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com
wrote:

"Tech Support" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:28:05 -0400, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

Cirrus has added a new auto level button on their latest planes. Will a
button on the stick that you push to automatically reset the plane to
straight and level make any difference on Cirrus accidents or is it just
a
gimmick? What say you?
************************************************** ***********

Darkwing

I'm told that some of the latest Fighters have a sensor that detects
if the pilot blacks out due to the high 'G's' the newest fighters can
pull and hold and that it returns the aircraft to level flight at
cruise power settings, automatically.

I know of several accidents that would have been prevented if that
system had been in plane as the performance of Fighters increased and
they could hold sustained high "G's" at structural limit.

The F-20, two of which were lost due to, "G" induced pilot
incapacitation.

First was at Goose Bay, Labrador. Bird was on way to Paris Air Show
and pilot went up to practice his show routine. After some maneuvers
bird flew into ground in a long shallow glide angle and accident
report cited pilot blackout as cause.

The second was in Korea when a Koran General was being given a demo
ride. Same thing and two more fatalities.

The last, of three built, was given to the Air and Space Gallery in
LA when Air Force and overseas sales did not materialize and F-16 was
bought instead. Politics was involved as the F-20 out classed F-16 in
many respects.

Big John

That's rather like comparing a formula one race car to the family sedan
and
saying what is a great idea for one is automatically a great idea for the
other.

It very well may be a great idea, but you certainly can't justify it using
a
military aircraft as an example. There's not too many Cirrus pilots who
are
likely to experience a G induced blackout, and even if they did they
probably will have bigger problems to worry about anyway.
************************************************** *****

Mike

Sorry. Didn't mean to advocate putting a military system in Ga but
original question was about a blue button that would recover Cirrus
aircraft. My post was to show that a system was in operation that
would do it in heavy iron (either automatically or pilot activated) so
technology is there.

Big John

The technology is certainly available. As I said previously, Diamond had it
years before Cirrus. I don't consider it a bad idea. The cost is low
because it's really not much more than an additional function added to the
autopilot. The question the OP asked is a hard one to answer. Even if it's
actually saved someone's bacon, I doubt too many are going to report back
with that information.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:32:59 GMT, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com
wrote:

"Big John" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:53:05 GMT, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com
wrote:

"Tech Support" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:28:05 -0400, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

Cirrus has added a new auto level button on their latest planes. Will a
button on the stick that you push to automatically reset the plane to
straight and level make any difference on Cirrus accidents or is it just
a
gimmick? What say you?
************************************************** ***********

Darkwing

I'm told that some of the latest Fighters have a sensor that detects
if the pilot blacks out due to the high 'G's' the newest fighters can
pull and hold and that it returns the aircraft to level flight at
cruise power settings, automatically.

I know of several accidents that would have been prevented if that
system had been in plane as the performance of Fighters increased and
they could hold sustained high "G's" at structural limit.

The F-20, two of which were lost due to, "G" induced pilot
incapacitation.

First was at Goose Bay, Labrador. Bird was on way to Paris Air Show
and pilot went up to practice his show routine. After some maneuvers
bird flew into ground in a long shallow glide angle and accident
report cited pilot blackout as cause.

The second was in Korea when a Koran General was being given a demo
ride. Same thing and two more fatalities.

The last, of three built, was given to the Air and Space Gallery in
LA when Air Force and overseas sales did not materialize and F-16 was
bought instead. Politics was involved as the F-20 out classed F-16 in
many respects.

Big John

That's rather like comparing a formula one race car to the family sedan
and
saying what is a great idea for one is automatically a great idea for the
other.

It very well may be a great idea, but you certainly can't justify it using
a
military aircraft as an example. There's not too many Cirrus pilots who
are
likely to experience a G induced blackout, and even if they did they
probably will have bigger problems to worry about anyway.
************************************************** *****

Mike

Sorry. Didn't mean to advocate putting a military system in Ga but
original question was about a blue button that would recover Cirrus
aircraft. My post was to show that a system was in operation that
would do it in heavy iron (either automatically or pilot activated) so
technology is there.

Big John

The technology is certainly available. As I said previously, Diamond had it
years before Cirrus. I don't consider it a bad idea. The cost is low
because it's really not much more than an additional function added to the
autopilot. The question the OP asked is a hard one to answer. Even if it's
actually saved someone's bacon, I doubt too many are going to report back
with that information.
************************************************** *******

Mike

U are probably correct. Many people would not report use of system.

Alternative would be to make system record use and need a shop with
key to reset. They could report use to give some stats which could
help sell system as life saver.

Big John