SeeYou Mobile with SN10B data

On Oct 29, 9:31*am, toad wrote:
On Oct 28, 5:44*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:

I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional. When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?
JJ

JJ,

I think the problem there, is that they haven't learned how to use
their PDA. *I'm sure those pilots would be just as confused with any
instrument, including the SN10.

The best feature of a PDA is the ability to take it home to learn how
to use it. *But you do have to have the self discipline to not geek
out in the cockpit and fiddle with the thing.

Todd Smith
3S

Naw, the very best feature of a PDA is the ability to load the proper
database file into your nav computer on the grid (of the contest site
you just arrived at) without looking like a doofus. :-) :-)

-T8 (and occasional doofus)

On Oct 28, 2:44*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional. When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?
JJ

JJ,

Thanks for asking!

What I was looking for is large moving map 6.5" diagonal that is
sunlight readable, color, VGA and offers all the features, bells and
whistles included with WinPilot PRO or SeeYou Mobile Software and
allows you to select from a externsive list of features and use only
the ones you want.

I have been selling Ipaqs and Ipaq software for 6 years. The largest
number of complaints we I can't see the screen. My Ipaq battery
went dead and I lost the program.

So I designed a product to solve these problems. The Craggy Aero
Utimate.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm


Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Oct 28, 2:44*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I use the 'options' page on my SN10, keep it set on the nearest
landable field (and next nearest landable). What it tells me is
exactly what I need to know, distance and altitude needed to get
there. No need to be looking at a sectional. When I ask the local PDA
drivers, simple questions like; how long you been on course or what's
your speed so far.................their stumpen dor an answer! Guess
what I should be asking is; What are you looking for in a PDA that
isn't already on your SN10?
JJ




JJ,

You must asked have asked local uninformed PDA drivers. With
mearly one click of the wand.

SeeYou Mobile has a very informative page that shows the following:

The statistics page gives you detailed information on Thermals and the
flight. To change the content of the statistics pane, tap on it to
switch between
.. Flight statistics
.. Task statistics
.. last 60 minutes statistics

Thermals panel graphically displays the last four thermals where the
left most is newest. At the top of each bar you can see the Thermal
average. The height of each bar represents the entrance and departure
from each thermal relative to the other four. The number on the right
is average for the last four thermals. Use it for your MacCready
setting if you wish.

Flight statistics gives averages for the Lift, Average speed, Distance
flown, circling percentage and duration of flight. Distance is the
same as Optimized distance in the "Opt" navbox.
Task statistics gives averages achieved since the start of the
Declared task.
Last 60 minutes statistics gives averages achieved on the Declared
task or the Optimized task in the last hour.



Richard,
www.craggyaero.com

On Oct 28, 8:48*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Why *would you want a PDA when you have an SN10?

What customers have told us is:
- I want a moving map ALWAYS displayed for alternates and airspace
- I want to see alternates without page-fiddling
- I want to use the SN10 for everything EXCEPT the map

This is how we arrived at the current NMEA outputs;
to support the common customer requests.

This moving map business is over rated and puts your eyes inside
the cockpit.

For those that want to see this info all the time, its
less time heads-down with the PDA map display

You done good on the SN10 wind program, Dave.

Thanks !

Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

PS: See JJ, some of these guys are a whole lot more nervous
than you ex-fighter-jocks, so they need to have this info
always available rather than just checking when appropriate ;-)

On Oct 29, 11:27*am, DRN wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:48*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:

Why *would you want a PDA when you have an SN10?

What customers have told us is:
- I want a moving map ALWAYS displayed for alternates and airspace
- I want to see alternates without page-fiddling
- I want to use the SN10 for everything EXCEPT the map

This is how we arrived at the current NMEA outputs;
to support the common customer requests.

This moving map business is over rated and puts your eyes inside
the cockpit.

For those that want to see this info all the time, its
less time heads-down with the PDA map display

You done good on the SN10 wind program, Dave.

Thanks !

Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

PS: See JJ, some of these guys are a whole lot more nervous
than you ex-fighter-jocks, so they need to have this info
always available rather than just checking when appropriate ;-)

Dave, I still don't get why you don't provide the TAS data on NEMA.
You seem to say that pilots, or the PDA software, can compare the
calculated wind from the differnet devices but you are tying the hands
of the PDA software a bit and either it has to do non-TAS enganced
wind calculations or it has to take the SN-10 calcualted wind data.
Why not let the PDA software see the same TAS data you are using? That
does nothing to take away from the good wind calculations the SN10 is
doing internally. Again I can see why Naviter would prefer to do their
own raw wind calculations - and as a user I'd prefer the PDA software
be using the same basic algorithms regardless of the source I'm
conected to.

To Andy's point I do like to compare different wind calculations. But
in my case I am checking what my Cambridge 303 is showing vs. what
SeeYou is showing (enhanced from the C302). Here there is a common
point of failure in the TAS data (unlike Andy's setup). I suspect many
pilots are competently unaware of what is actually going on between
their GPS/flight computer and PDA software for wind calculations. What
would be useful is if Naviter (and other?) software vendors would
explain more clearly the sources/behavior of wind calculations, Mc
settings, ballast settings, etc. depending on what device they are
connected to. Andrej, if that documentation exists shoot me down
now...

Regards


Darryl

Very interesting discussion. I myself use SN10 + PDA(SeeYou). Besides
what have been mentioned, SeeYou also leaves traces which are useful
to come back at exactly the same place in wave, etc.

I think the original question is easy to answer.. You can buy
everything you need to make the cable at Radio Shack for less than
$10, so just go for it and see if you like it.

-Gen

On Oct 29, 1:14*pm, gen wrote:
Very interesting discussion. I myself use SN10 + PDA(SeeYou). Besides
what have been mentioned, SeeYou also leaves traces which are useful
to come back at exactly the same place in wave, etc.

I think the original question is easy to answer.. You can buy
everything you need to make the cable at Radio Shack for less than
$10, so just go for it and see if you like it.

-Gen

The original question was likely answered the other way. I read that
Kirk specifically wanted wanted to see the benefit of ehnanced wind/
air data for SeeYou - then don't bother as there is no enhanced data
communicated. You can just stay with a separate GPS source for the
PDA. There may be other benefits of communicating Mc. etc settings
however that was not the question.

Darryl

gen wrote:
Very interesting discussion. I myself use SN10 + PDA(SeeYou). Besides
what have been mentioned, SeeYou also leaves traces which are useful
to come back at exactly the same place in wave, etc.

I think the original question is easy to answer.. You can buy
everything you need to make the cable at Radio Shack for less than
$10, so just go for it and see if you like it.

-Gen

I actually modified my SN10B, Volksloger, PDA cabling two years ago in
order to get SN10 Data into my PDA - This turned ut to be a big waste of
time!

The problem was that SN10 also appended its own pressure altitude data
to the NMEA data stream together with the pressure altitude data from
the Volkslogger. These two pressure altitude data may typically differ
by at least 100meter.

While flying close to the upper airspace boundary, it was totally random
if SeeYou used the Volkslogger or the SN10 altitude to calculate an
airspace warning. This resulted in lots of false warnings when the SN10
produced a higher altitude reading than the Volkslogger, and a single
time resulted in a airspace violation when the SN10 decided that I was
lower than the Volkslogger logged.

Most of the time it was only pure annoying - I decided to rip out the
new cabling at the last annual.

Ole John Aske, Ls8T

On Oct 27, 1:35 pm, "kirk.stant" wrote:
Does anyone have any experience driving SeeYouMobile from an SN10B,
using both the GPS data and the vario/wind/air data that the SN10 can
now transmit to a PDA?

Wondering if it is worth the trouble to have a new SN10 wiring harness
made to work with my PDA.

TIA,

Kirk
66

Kirk,

I use seeyoumobile with an sn-10b. I also have the cable that supports
the supplemental info from the sn-10 into seeyoumobile. Since I went
with the new cable the seeyou wind calc seems to be in better
agreement than in the past when using the gps data alone. However, I
always rely on the final glide calc from the sn-10 so the possible
increase in accuracy in seeyoumobile is of limited value to me. I
would only go with the new cabling if you were already planning to
make a change behind the panel.

Regards,

XJ

On Oct 31, 7:29*am, wrote:
On Oct 27, 1:35 pm, "kirk.stant" wrote:

Does anyone have any experience driving SeeYouMobile from an SN10B,
using both the GPS data and the vario/wind/air data that the SN10 can
now transmit to a PDA?

Wondering if it is worth the trouble to have a new SN10 wiring harness
made to work with my PDA.

TIA,

Kirk
66

Kirk,

I use seeyoumobile with an sn-10b. I also have the cable that supports
the supplemental info from the sn-10 into seeyoumobile. Since I went
with the new cable the seeyou wind calc seems to be in better
agreement than in the past when using the gps data alone. However, I
always rely on the final glide calc from the sn-10 so the possible
increase in accuracy in seeyoumobile is of limited value to me. I
would only go with the new cabling if you were already planning to
make a change behind the panel.

Regards,

XJ

Well that must be a special cable indeed (maybe made by Placebo, Inc.?
I hear their stuff really works great). Have a re-read of this thread.

Darryl