GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!

"Pooched" wrote
It would help if someone could tell me WHY the Muslims hated us to
begin with.

It's the central tenet of the religion; Submit & Recite.
And we're not the only ones they hate. They're at war in China, India,
SEAsia, Indonesia, the Filipines, East Africa, North Africa, all through the
former SovUn.
They are a warrior religion, founded by a bandit and raider, and they've
been at war with the world for 1300 years.

Chas

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Pooched wrote:

America DESERVES 9/11. America DESERVES another terrorist attack. I
was thrilled on 9/11 (apologies to the victims and their families).

You can have one or the other, not both.

In short, your apology is worth less than nothing.

It's only a matter of time before someone else gets fed up with
Amerika and attacks us again.

FOAD

The only solution to this problem is
diplomacy. America COULD resolve the differences with the Muslims.

Only two options would work to their satisfaction:

1) *All* of us convert to Islam.
2) Alternatively, we all die.

Neither will happen.

"Chas" wrote in message
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"Pooched" wrote
It would help if someone could tell me WHY the Muslims hated us to
begin with.

It's the central tenet of the religion; Submit & Recite.
And we're not the only ones they hate. They're at war in China, India,
SEAsia, Indonesia, the Filipines, East Africa, North Africa, all through
the
former SovUn.

Don't forget Thailand.

-*MORT*-

"George Z. Bush" wrote:


"Krztalizer" wrote in message
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You'd think by now, folks from the "Americas Funniest Home Videos" generation
would understand that there are some times you really should just leave the
camera in the bag...

I agree though - this doesn't reflect on the President directly, but you can
be
damn sure he knows what kind of repercussions are going to happen. Those US
soldiers in the photos may as well go jump off a cliff, because every
grandstanding politician from here to India is going to be using it as an
excuse to appear on tv, denouncing the unforgiveable crime of showing us these
guy's furry asses.

Yuck.

For a change, I completely agree with one of the President's public statements.
The Americans responsible for those photographs who indulged themselves for
their own pleasure apparently don't even have a clue as to how many additional
American lives their fun and games are going to cost us down the road.

It was a disgusting performance by a bunch of brainless jerks responsible for
the health and well-being of Iraqi prisoners. If they're military people, they
deserve to be courts-martialed, and if they're contract employees, they ought to
be terminated and abandoned where they stand to find their own ways out of Iraq.

If the job isn't tough enough, it's pretty sad that some of our enemies turn out
to be our own people.

George Z.



Are these really humans?...I saw no evidence of it here. In the
same vein as the jerks who caused the Canadian Airbourne
Regiment's disbandment a few years ago...senseless nincompoops
without a brain in their heads...
--

-Gord.

"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

"Morton Davis" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
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"The Todal" wrote in message
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"Bystander" wrote in message
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"= Vox Populi ©" wrote in message (snipped):
Six U.S. troops charged with Iraq torture

I have seen the photos and they are appalling.

The treatment of prisoners is utterly indefensible.

At least America is dealing with it, and has admitted it. Many
countries
that use torture would never dream of allowing these reports.

Well, perhaps it would be more accurate to say: now that it's in the
public
domain the PR people in the White House and the Pentagon can see that
it is
indefensible and they are duly blaming it all on renegade troops or
(better
still) outside contractors. Meanwhile, all the other torture will not
be
admitted until it has been discovered.

This incident was being investigated before it came out in the news.
The first news reports I saw of this (I think CBS was the network that
"broke" the story) said that dicipline was already being handed out to
those directly involved and to several officers, including a general,
in the responsible command.

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.


Where are the videos of Americans cheering in the streets over what
happened, like the supporters ofd the "insurgents" when they hung the burned
bodies of our dead from bridges? There are none because we are not cheering.

If something like this happens, we crack down on the perpetrators. Few if any
people celebrate such things. It seems we worry more about people in other
countries than we do our own when it comes to abuse of authority.

I think they should be hauled before the Joint Chiefs, told "do you realise
this footage could loose us the war?" then have the photos sown to their
skins before being air-dropped naked into Falluja.

I would give each one them an M-16 and a ride to Najaf, they would serve as
infantry in the hottest spots in Iraq (including the female) until their trial.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Steve Hix wrote:
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"Simon Robbins"
wrote:

"Bystander"
wrote in message
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At least America is dealing with it, and
has admitted it. Many countries
that use torture would never dream of allowing
these reports.

It's been reported in the UK that the Pentagon's
spent the last two weeks
trying to prevent the public disclosure of
these photos by the American
media, and apparently succeeded considering
they're only showing them now
since they leaked out from elsewhere.

Did you fail to note that, in addition, they've
been investigating the
issue with the goal of punishing the guilty?
That is something the loony left doesn't understand. Most militaries would
never bother investigating the allegations; the U.S. and Britain do, and
when facts justify, prosecute in the Military Justice System those accused.
Let the JAG and CID folks do their jobs, and see if anyone is reccommended
for a Court-Martial.

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"Morton Davis" wrote:


Where are the videos of Americans cheering in the streets over what
happened, like the supporters ofd the "insurgents" when they hung the burned
bodies of our dead from bridges? There are none because we are not cheering.

-*MORT*-

Damned true...that just shows how we think...I'm God Damned sure
glad that I happened to be born into this way of thinking than
into theirs.
--

-Gord.

Curtis CCR wrote:

"The Todal" wrote in message ...


"Bystander" wrote in message
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"= Vox Populi ©" wrote in message (snipped):


Six U.S. troops charged with Iraq torture


I have seen the photos and they are appalling.

The treatment of prisoners is utterly indefensible.

At least America is dealing with it, and has admitted it. Many countries
that use torture would never dream of allowing these reports.


Well, perhaps it would be more accurate to say: now that it's in the public
domain the PR people in the White House and the Pentagon can see that it is
indefensible and they are duly blaming it all on renegade troops or (better
still) outside contractors. Meanwhile, all the other torture will not be
admitted until it has been discovered.



This incident was being investigated before it came out in the news.
The first news reports I saw of this (I think CBS was the network that
"broke" the story) said that dicipline was already being handed out to
those directly involved and to several officers, including a general,
in the responsible command.

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.


US military has a long tradition of being one of the least tolerant of
all military organizations of crimes committed by its personel and I am
proud of this tradtion.

However it is disturbing that for the first time:

1. The US government is actively keeping all disciplinary action secret,
and "bribing" most reporters with embedded positions to report only what
they want reported. So unless a reporter with less access than the
"embedded" reporters somehow manages to get access to the information,
the US government pretends like it doesn't happen and then suddenly
pretends they are shocked.

2. The US government allowed a civilian contractor who raped an Iraqi
prisoner to go free : The Military justifiably claims it has no
jurisdiction, but the US government, which rules Iraq, should have
stepped up to the plate and arrested the constractor under Iraqi law (I
am sure rape is illegal even in Iraq) and thrown him in an Iraqi jail to
face trail for rape in front of an Iraqi Judge. I doubt they are
allowing Iraqis civilians guilty of rape to escape punishment just
because they are not subject to US Court Martial.