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"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
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wrote:

I would not dream of putting a
machine lathe in an unheated workshop where the ways might attract a
layer of rust.
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So buy a Flit gun and 5 gallons of kerosene. After using the lathe,
pump up the Flit gun and give the lathe a light coating of kerosene,
then cover it with a piece of canvas that is NOT allowed to touch any
unpainted surface.

-Bob

PS -- Can't find a Flit gun? Then use one of those refillable aerosol
cans... or use an air-brush.


Flit-gun? THAT takes me back! I will admit to considering a 10 oz duck
cover and a 40 watt lamp under it.... Say kerosene and I think WD-40 of
course - but I keep reminding myself - a corrosion preventative that sets
waxy, like BoeShield T-6 aerosol would be better.

Which reminds me: in the long, long-ago there was an auto chassis
treatment (back when cars had chassis). The kit was a bottle of wax
dissolved in a solvent and a Flit-gun. Worked like a champ.

(I later verified you can dissolve grated candlewax in most any
petrochemical like kerosene, gasoline, diesel oil, lamp oil whatever, if
you first WARMED the oil.)

Brian W

WD-40 only works well if something has become wet, it will displace the
water and cause it to shed. It's a water displacement agent, and doesn't
protect long as a rust preventative.

Kerosene works well, depending on how often the machine is used. But you can
greatly extend it's effectiveness by adding a percentage of oil to suit you
needs. Although most effective, adding wax would probably leave a film that
would have to be removed before each use.

Maxwell wrote:

Kerosene works well, depending on how often the machine is used. But you can
greatly extend it's effectiveness by adding a percentage of oil to suit you
needs. Although most effective, adding wax would probably leave a film that
would have to be removed before each use.



I went looking for Boeshield T-6 or LP-3 in town today. No joy. But I did
find silicone sprays which I don't like, and this aerosol from 3M called
"5-WAY". The label says aliphatic hydrocarbon (which I assume is
kerosene), petrolatum and heavy parrafinic oil. It says it leaves a
sticky surface. That's better than nothing.....

Brian W

wrote in message
...
So buy a Flit gun and 5 gallons of kerosene. After using the lathe,
pump up the Flit gun and give the lathe a light coating of kerosene,
then cover it with a piece of canvas that is NOT allowed to touch any
unpainted surface.

I would buy a few oz. of kero and an old paintbrush, but if you really want
to spray, buy a Preval for about five bucks. Google for suppliers like
this:
http://store.fastcommerce.com/cat_Pa...FQIfswodKkp9bQ
or visit any automotive paint store.

Vaughn

What would be wrong with a new insecticide hand-pump sprayer? Most all home
improvement stores carry them in the garden section.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


-Bob

PS -- Can't find a Flit gun? Then use one of those refillable aerosol
cans... or use an air-brush.

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
m...
What would be wrong with a new insecticide hand-pump sprayer? Most all
home improvement stores carry them in the garden section.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


-Bob

PS -- Can't find a Flit gun? Then use one of those refillable aerosol
cans... or use an air-brush.

Second to Jim. Zemlock helicopters at Chino showed me one of those
Insecticide sprayers used to clean up his D model Bell 47, which if they
could ever find a crop that could use engine oil, would find it's niche. No
spray booms required. The sprayer worked like it was designed for the task.

stu

"Stuart Fields" wrote

Second to Jim. Zemlock helicopters at Chino showed me one of those
Insecticide sprayers used to clean up his D model Bell 47, which if they
could ever find a crop that could use engine oil, would find it's niche.
No spray booms required. The sprayer worked like it was designed for the
task.

Actually, many (most) garden sprayers will not last long using any
petro-chemicals. You can get one from a concrete supply company that is
designed to spray concrete post treatment, that is petrochemical proof, or
find a sprayer for treating decks with waterproofing at a lumber supply
house.
--
Jim in NC

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:35:56 -0800 (PST), "
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I would not dream of putting a
machine lathe in an unheated workshop where the ways might attract a
layer of rust.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So buy a Flit gun and 5 gallons of kerosene. After using the lathe,
pump up the Flit gun and give the lathe a light coating of kerosene,
then cover it with a piece of canvas that is NOT allowed to touch any
unpainted surface.

-Bob

PS -- Can't find a Flit gun? Then use one of those refillable aerosol
cans... or use an air-brush.

my lathe sits in an unheated workshop. when the workshop was an
asbestos cement shed I had moisture problems.
now I have a colourbond tin workshop, still unheated, and all I use is
shell tellus 46 on the slideways and a thick plastic sheet draped over
it. the plastic being impervious to moisture unlike the canvas.

the poms who have your snow merely put a cover over the lathe and sit
the smallest light globe they can find down in the ways. probably
about 15 watts. the heat from that keeps the lathe and the air around
it just above ambient temperature and prevents condensation.

if you are really desperate spray a lathe under plastic with CRC or
WD40 and it should be ok.

stealth pilot

Brian Whatcott wrote:
wrote:
... buying a lot of metal-working tools doesn't mean
you'll be turning out usable parts. ... So
instead of day-dreaming about a 48" metal brake from Harbor Freight
that you'll probably never buy anyway, why not pick up a piece of
angle iron and start LEARNING how to do metal-work....

-R.S.Hoover


There is another outcome possible at Harbor Freight - other than the
day-dream ending. Like me, you may BUY a tool.
I am thinking of the tube bender I bought. I KNEW that the usual tube
bender that features a ram pushing a forming tool against a pipe while
two side rollers hold it in place - is a disaster - it is about
guaranteed to collapse the wall unless the tube is loaded with sand,
ice, eutectic - whatever. So I bought the BETTER type tube bender on
sale. This has a roller that pulls the tube round a die - this
provides the motivation to stretch the tube wall on the outside, rather
than ripple the tube wall on the inside of the turn.

So fine: I bought it, and I bought a tube drilling jig, to make those
nicely fitted tube joints at 90deg, 45 deg etc....and plenty of other
things too.

What's wrong with that? I haven't used these tools at all. Not once.
And now I covet a machine lathe too (there could hardly be a more
bargain deal for $400 after all). Trouble is, Momma would have
conniptions if I put it in my study, and I would not dream of putting a
machine lathe in an unheated workshop where the ways might attract a
layer of rust.
That would about break my heart.....

Brian W

One of the advantages in living alone in a house is one of my
bedrooms is my machine shop. It's more comfortable than a garage and
cheaper than a climate controlled shop.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan" wrote in message ...
Brian Whatcott wrote:
wrote:
... buying a lot of metal-working tools doesn't mean
you'll be turning out usable parts. ... So
instead of day-dreaming about a 48" metal brake from Harbor Freight
that you'll probably never buy anyway, why not pick up a piece of
angle iron and start LEARNING how to do metal-work....

-R.S.Hoover


There is another outcome possible at Harbor Freight - other than the
day-dream ending. Like me, you may BUY a tool.
I am thinking of the tube bender I bought. I KNEW that the usual tube
bender that features a ram pushing a forming tool against a pipe while
two side rollers hold it in place - is a disaster - it is about
guaranteed to collapse the wall unless the tube is loaded with sand, ice,
eutectic - whatever. So I bought the BETTER type tube bender on sale.
This has a roller that pulls the tube round a die - this provides the
motivation to stretch the tube wall on the outside, rather than ripple
the tube wall on the inside of the turn.

So fine: I bought it, and I bought a tube drilling jig, to make those
nicely fitted tube joints at 90deg, 45 deg etc....and plenty of other
things too.

What's wrong with that? I haven't used these tools at all. Not once.
And now I covet a machine lathe too (there could hardly be a more bargain
deal for $400 after all). Trouble is, Momma would have conniptions if I
put it in my study, and I would not dream of putting a machine lathe in
an unheated workshop where the ways might attract a layer of rust.
That would about break my heart.....

Brian W

One of the advantages in living alone in a house is one of my bedrooms
is my machine shop. It's more comfortable than a garage and cheaper than a
climate controlled shop.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Dan: One of the disadvantages I would have is sometimes my wife comes out
takes a look at what I'm doing and says " Wouldn't it be better to do it
this way?" She doesn't have any training or knowledge about machining but
she does have a totally fresh view from some other planet and sometimes she
catches me cold. It has happened a lot more than just a few times.

Stu

Stuart Fields wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ...
Brian Whatcott wrote:
wrote:
... buying a lot of metal-working tools doesn't mean
you'll be turning out usable parts. ... So
instead of day-dreaming about a 48" metal brake from Harbor Freight
that you'll probably never buy anyway, why not pick up a piece of
angle iron and start LEARNING how to do metal-work....
-R.S.Hoover

There is another outcome possible at Harbor Freight - other than the
day-dream ending. Like me, you may BUY a tool.
I am thinking of the tube bender I bought. I KNEW that the usual tube
bender that features a ram pushing a forming tool against a pipe while
two side rollers hold it in place - is a disaster - it is about
guaranteed to collapse the wall unless the tube is loaded with sand, ice,
eutectic - whatever. So I bought the BETTER type tube bender on sale.
This has a roller that pulls the tube round a die - this provides the
motivation to stretch the tube wall on the outside, rather than ripple
the tube wall on the inside of the turn.

So fine: I bought it, and I bought a tube drilling jig, to make those
nicely fitted tube joints at 90deg, 45 deg etc....and plenty of other
things too.

What's wrong with that? I haven't used these tools at all. Not once.
And now I covet a machine lathe too (there could hardly be a more bargain
deal for $400 after all). Trouble is, Momma would have conniptions if I
put it in my study, and I would not dream of putting a machine lathe in
an unheated workshop where the ways might attract a layer of rust.
That would about break my heart.....

Brian W
One of the advantages in living alone in a house is one of my bedrooms
is my machine shop. It's more comfortable than a garage and cheaper than a
climate controlled shop.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Dan: One of the disadvantages I would have is sometimes my wife comes out
takes a look at what I'm doing and says " Wouldn't it be better to do it
this way?" She doesn't have any training or knowledge about machining but
she does have a totally fresh view from some other planet and sometimes she
catches me cold. It has happened a lot more than just a few times.

Stu


My war department was good for that too, usually when I was
thoroughly frustrated or when I have something set up and ready to go
and she'd point out the set up wouldn't do what I wanted. The latter
started before we actually married when I was making a tapered desk leg
and cut the first mitre on the wrong side.

This is the same woman who asked me to clean a repair kitchen sink
drain. I drained the trap into a bucket, removed the trap and got under
the sink. She asked if there was anything she could to help. I said she
could dump the bucket. I'll let you guess where she decided to dump it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired