Slow Down, Speed up

Don Johnstone wrote:

If he doesn't, pull off, land next to the winch and
threaten him with physical violence if he does it again....

Only threaten? Pity all winch drivers are not up to the Wotherspoon
standard, right every time.

Where I live, threatening somebody with physical violence is considered
a crime, and realizing this threat is considered a major crime.

Legal questions aside, a pilot who chose to threat me with whatever
would never again get a launch from me, not even a bad one. Frankly, I
consider such comments plain primitive.

At 18:30 16 April 2009, Ian Burgin wrote:
At 14:30 16 April 2009, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 08:30 16 April 2009, Z Goudie wrote:
In the distant past I saw a friend die when he rocked the wings as a
too
slow signal.

Nose down to maintain a safe speed and wait for the winch driver to
get
the message. If he doesn't, pull off, land next to the winch and
threaten him with physical violence if he does it again....


Only threaten? Pity all winch drivers are not up to the Wotherspoon
standard, right every time.
Threatening the winch driver could be counter productive, he may be a
black belt or be similarly qualified and if not, you may never get a
decent launch ever again from the tiny minority of winch driving
members.

In the 90's when I was flying a EON460 from a winch on a flat field we
had a rule that said "land ahead for free " to discourage low turns. as
we used white links, I had many firm talks with winch drivers, that is
usually about where I came to rest.
I gave the olly to a museum after its sister ship brokeup on the wire
when it PIO ed ; I was 2 places behind in the line and it never flew
again.
Jon

At 18:30 16 April 2009, Ian Burgin wrote:
At 14:30 16 April 2009, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 08:30 16 April 2009, Z Goudie wrote:
In the distant past I saw a friend die when he rocked the wings as a
too
slow signal.

Nose down to maintain a safe speed and wait for the winch driver to
get
the message. If he doesn't, pull off, land next to the winch and
threaten him with physical violence if he does it again....


Only threaten? Pity all winch drivers are not up to the Wotherspoon
standard, right every time.
Threatening the winch driver could be counter productive, he may be a
black belt or be similarly qualified and if not, you may never get a
decent launch ever again from the tiny minority of winch driving
members.

In the 90's when I was flying a EON460 from a winch on a flat field we
had a rule that said "land ahead for free " to discourage low turns. as
we used white links, I had many firm talks with winch drivers, that is
usually about where I came to rest.
I gave the olly to a museum after its sister ship brokeup on the wire
when it PIO ed ; I was 2 places behind in the line and it never flew
again.
Jon

At 19:06 16 April 2009, John Smith wrote:

Where I live, threatening somebody with physical violence is considered
a crime, and realizing this threat is considered a major crime.

Legal questions aside, a pilot who chose to threat me with whatever
would never again get a launch from me, not even a bad one. Frankly, I
consider such comments plain primitive.

Where were you when they handed out the sense of humour diplomas??

Strangely enough the laws on this side of the Atlantic are very
similar, however one thing that seems to differ is the
appreciation of sarcasm and a bone dry sense of humour - far
from primitive - it stimulates useful and constructive debate
about serious safety issues.

And always remember the winch drivers anthem (in the style of
The Dubliners):

"I've been a winch driver for many a year
and I've spent all my money on whisk(e)y and beer.... etc etc



Where I live, threatening somebody with physical violence is
considered
a crime, and realizing this threat is considered a major crime.

Legal questions aside, a pilot who chose to threat me with
whatever
would never again get a launch from me, not even a bad one.
Frankly, I
consider such comments plain primitive.

Z Goudie wrote:

Where were you when they handed out the sense of humour diplomas??

I don't consider threatening with physical violence humorous.

On Apr 16, 2:30*pm, Jonathon May wrote:
At 18:30 16 April 2009, Ian Burgin wrote:



At 14:30 16 April 2009, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 08:30 16 April 2009, Z Goudie wrote:
In the distant past I saw a friend die when he rocked the wings as a
too
slow signal.

Nose down to maintain a safe speed and wait for the winch driver to
get
the message. *If he doesn't, pull off, land next to the winch and
threaten him with physical violence if he does it again....

Only threaten? *Pity all winch drivers are not up to the Wotherspoon
standard, right every time.
Threatening the winch driver could be counter productive, he may be a
black belt or be similarly qualified and if not, you may never get a
decent launch ever again from the tiny minority of winch driving
members.

In the 90's when I was flying a EON460 from a winch on a flat field we
had a rule that said "land ahead for free " to discourage low turns. as
we used white links, I had many firm talks with winch drivers, that is
usually *about where I came to rest.
I gave *the olly to a museum after its sister ship brokeup on the wire
when it PIO ed ; I was 2 places behind in the line and it never flew
again.
Jon- Hide quoted text -

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Well if this is the accident you are referring to

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...pdf_502118.pdf

It seems that using 2 primary weak links, instead of one primary, and
one reserve didn't exactly help. Doubling up the weak link strength is
a recipe for disaster.

I don't winch as we only aerotow, but in light of this how many
verify their weak links before hooking up? Also do you check to make
sure that you are using a main and a reserve link if you use such a
setup?

Pete

"Ian Burgin" wrote in message
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At 14:30 16 April 2009, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 08:30 16 April 2009, Z Goudie wrote:
In the distant past I saw a friend die when he rocked the wings as a
too
slow signal.

Nose down to maintain a safe speed and wait for the winch driver to get
the message. If he doesn't, pull off, land next to the winch and
threaten him with physical violence if he does it again....


Only threaten? Pity all winch drivers are not up to the Wotherspoon
standard, right every time.
Threatening the winch driver could be counter productive, he may be a
black belt or be similarly qualified and if not, you may never get a
decent launch ever again from the tiny minority of winch driving members.

Absolutely. Winch drivers should be bought flowers, chocolates and escorted
to the winch in limousines whilst being provided with self licking ice
creams.

I know how to grovel :-)

Jon

Neither do I - but you have clearly missed the point!

I rest my case m'lord

At 20:44 16 April 2009, John Smith wrote:
Z Goudie wrote:

Where were you when they handed out the sense of humour
diplomas??

I don't consider threatening with physical violence humorous.

At 20:44 16 April 2009, John Smith wrote:
Z Goudie wrote:

Where were you when they handed out the sense of humour diplomas??

I don't consider threatening with physical violence humorous.

Look if you don't behave I will challenge you to a bout of fish slapping,
non violent of course. (You would have to be a Python fan to get the maning
of this)
I would not have posted as I did if I thought for one minute that Z was
serious.
Now, where did I put that large cod. :-)