Fighter Aircraft Alternates?

Richard Stewart wrote in message ...
Hi Guys,
Just wondering what the alternate (losing) choices were for the main US
older fighter aircraft?

eg. I know the YF17 lost out to the F18...

But what were the competitors to the rest (you don't need to go back too
far) - that's if they actually HAD competitors...

F14?
F15?
F16?
A10?
F117?
(have I missed any?)

and any pix?


The F-14 & F-15 had several paper competitors from LTV,
Fairchild, & the like. There are pics out there. ISTR some older ARCO
books on the F-14 & F-15 with artist concepts of some competitors.
I've also seen some artist concepts in old back issues of Aviation
Week & Space Technology. See if your library has them or can get them
& go back to the late '60s - early '70s. I think you can find a pic
eventually of an F-15 in SEA camo! World Airpower Journal issues in
the last few years have also had some pics of I know the F-14's
competition, even some mock-ups. Maybe even the F-15. The A-10's
competition was Northrop's YA-9. Do a search for it. There are pics &
even a couple of model kits out there. ISTR seeing a pic in an early
'70s issue of Air International/Air Enthusiast of the A-10 &/or YA-9
designs in SEA camo. I don't think the F-117 had a competitor, but
Northrop did have some sort of stealth a/c similar to the F-117 so it
could've been its classified concept competitor. The YF-17 lost out to
the YF-16. The F-18 was developed from the YF-17 by McD/D.

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:53:51 +1000, Richard Stewart
wrote:

Hi Guys,
Just wondering what the alternate (losing) choices were for the main US
older fighter aircraft?

eg. I know the YF17 lost out to the F18...

The YF-17 lost to the YF-16.

But what were the competitors to the rest (you don't need to go back too
far) - that's if they actually HAD competitors...

F14?

No fly off

F15?

No fly off.

F16?

YF-16 over the YF-17

A10?

YF-10 won against the YF-9.

F117?

No fly off.

(have I missed any?)

F-15E over the F-16XL, although I don't know how formal the fly off
was.

F-18L lost to the F/A-18 but the former was paper and the latter was
flying.

YC-14 and YC-15, but both lost.

C-5 beat the Boeing version which became the 747 but that was in the
paper stage, not prototypes

and any pix?

You can see the YF-17 and F-18, F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-16XL in the
gallery at www.dfrc.nasa.gov

Cheers,
Richard

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:09:03 -0700, Mary Shafer
wrote:

and any pix?

You can see the YF-17 and F-18, F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-16XL in the
gallery at www.dfrc.nasa.gov

Here's a pic of the F-16XL ...

http://freejigsawpuzzles.com/beta/be..._F16XL1994.htm

Although you'll have to do a little bit of work to uncover it :-)

Pete Lilleyman

(please get rid of ".getrid" to reply direct)
(don't get rid of the dontspam though ;-)

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:27:55 GMT, Alisha's Addict
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:09:03 -0700, Mary Shafer
wrote:

and any pix?

You can see the YF-17 and F-18, F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-16XL in the
gallery at www.dfrc.nasa.gov

Here's a pic of the F-16XL ...

http://freejigsawpuzzles.com/beta/be..._F16XL1994.htm

It took me a little while to get around to looking at this and solving
the puzzle. If you'd gone to the site I gave, you'd have seen the
same photo there.

That's a Dryden photo of the F-16XL no.1, taken December, 1994. See
the tufts on it? White markers on the black body. They're there to
show the on-surface flow patterns. They're how I knew it was a Dryden
photo.

Here's the photo in the gallery at Dryden:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Pho...94-42885-1.jpg

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:53:51 +1000, Richard Stewart
wrote:

Hi Guys,
Just wondering what the alternate (losing) choices were for the main US
older fighter aircraft?

eg. I know the YF17 lost out to the F18...

But what were the competitors to the rest (you don't need to go back too
far) - that's if they actually HAD competitors...

F14?
F15?
F16?
A10?
F117?
(have I missed any?)



The AH-64 (Apache) won over the AH-63 for the AAH program which itself
was formed after the AH-56 Cheyenne was deemed to ambitious (ie $$$).

The YF-107 lost to the F-105 and the XF8U-3 lost out to the F-4.
Neither of these were formal competitions AFAIK but they were being
developed at the same time and the services decided they could only
afford one so it ended up being that way.

The B-52 won over the YB-60

The B-47 won over the XB-46 and XB-48

The Blackbird won over the Convair KingFisher

The F-111 won over the Boeing and Republic for the TFX. Pretty much
everybody felt the Boeing design was the best but good old MacNamara
thought he was an aircraft designer and had a different agenda to boot
so they got the GD entry. Personally I thought the Republic design
looked the coolest.

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:38:55 -0600, Scott Ferrin
wrote:
The F-111 won over the Boeing and Republic for the TFX. Pretty much
everybody felt the Boeing design was the best but good old MacNamara
thought he was an aircraft designer and had a different agenda to boot
so they got the GD entry. Personally I thought the Republic design
looked the coolest.


Any links?

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:54:27 GMT, Robert
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:38:55 -0600, Scott Ferrin
wrote:
The F-111 won over the Boeing and Republic for the TFX. Pretty much
everybody felt the Boeing design was the best but good old MacNamara
thought he was an aircraft designer and had a different agenda to boot
so they got the GD entry. Personally I thought the Republic design
looked the coolest.


Any links?


Hope you can read French because the English option seems to be
busted.

http://prototypes.free.fr/f111b/f111b-1.htm

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:34:34 -0600, Scott Ferrin
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:54:27 GMT, Robert
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:38:55 -0600, Scott Ferrin
wrote:
The F-111 won over the Boeing and Republic for the TFX. Pretty much
everybody felt the Boeing design was the best but good old MacNamara
thought he was an aircraft designer and had a different agenda to boot
so they got the GD entry. Personally I thought the Republic design
looked the coolest.


Any links?


Hope you can read French because the English option seems to be
busted.

http://prototypes.free.fr/f111b/f111b-1.htm


Thanks! Not a problem, a picture is worth a thousand words... =)

Robert wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:34:34 -0600, Scott Ferrin
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:54:27 GMT, Robert
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:38:55 -0600, Scott Ferrin
wrote:
The F-111 won over the Boeing and Republic for the TFX. Pretty much
everybody felt the Boeing design was the best but good old MacNamara
thought he was an aircraft designer and had a different agenda to boot
so they got the GD entry. Personally I thought the Republic design
looked the coolest.


Any links?


Hope you can read French because the English option seems to be
busted.

http://prototypes.free.fr/f111b/f111b-1.htm


Thanks! Not a problem, a picture is worth a thousand words... =)

aka: Republic-Fokker D-24 Alliance (1965)

A really rare and virtually unknown project/mock-up.

http://www.aerofiles.com/repub-d24.jpg
http://www.aerofiles.com/repub-d24model.jpg
http://aerostories.free.fr/dossiers/...okAlliance.JPG

Rob

actually the yf17 lost out to yf 16. later the yf17 was midified to the 18
and adopted by the navy

the a10 beat out the a9 from northrup

F14 was adopted after a naval version of the F111 was dropped due to weight
issues. naval version was F111b

"Richard Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hi Guys,
Just wondering what the alternate (losing) choices were for the main US
older fighter aircraft?

eg. I know the YF17 lost out to the F18...

But what were the competitors to the rest (you don't need to go back too
far) - that's if they actually HAD competitors...

F14?
F15?
F16?
A10?
F117?
(have I missed any?)

and any pix?

Cheers,
Richard