B-52 attrition rates?

funkraum wrote:
....
I remember some comments by an East German intelligence operative
visiting Cuba in the 70s, who was shown the battleground of the Bay of
Pigs: He mentioned how he was shown some 'B-52 wreckage' as part of
the tour.
....

Be a lot easier to write it off as a typo for B-25, itself a mistake
because the invasion used B-26's, some of which were shot down.

Marc Reeve wrote:

Straight up/straight down isn't a big killer, though it can raise
serious knots on the head on impact.

What is the terminal velocity of the average 7.62x39 bullet? Can it be
reached in a fall from 1500'?


Jack

Jack wrote:
Marc Reeve wrote:

Straight up/straight down isn't a big killer, though it can raise
serious knots on the head on impact.


What is the terminal velocity of the average 7.62x39 bullet? Can it be
reached in a fall from 1500'?


Based on this URL: http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htm
terminal velocity of a 150-grain .30 caliber bullet, fired straight up, was 300
fps.

--
Marc Reeve
Some guy at a desk somewhere ^reverse^ for email

Jack wrote:
Marc Reeve wrote:

Straight up/straight down isn't a big killer, though it can raise
serious knots on the head on impact.


What is the terminal velocity of the average 7.62x39 bullet? Can it be
reached in a fall from 1500'?


Based on this URL: http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htm
terminal velocity of a 150-grain .30 caliber bullet, fired straight up, was 300
fps.

--
Marc Reeve
Some guy at a desk somewhere ^reverse^ for email

Marc Reeve wrote:

Based on this URL: http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/March01.htm
terminal velocity of a 150-grain .30 caliber bullet, fired straight up,
was 300 fps.

Verrry interesting.

I would assume their testing was done with a 30.06 in order to get the
projectile up to a max. of 9000'. Supposedly the AK is only effective to
1500', at least that's what they told us in 1970. Maybe the lead
solution was part of their consideration.

I was watching a Cessna flying circles over our small town this evening
as we enjoyed a glass of wine with an excellent dinner on the patio by
the river bank, and contemplating how easy or difficult it might be to
shoot him down at his altitude of about 1500'. I think if I had been
about one half click further west and had an M-14 or an M-60, I could
theoretically have done it. With an M2 he would have been all mine.

Fortunately, most of the NVA/Cong in SVN/Cambodia/Laos/NVN didn't have
such pleasant opportunities for relaxed contemplation of the problem,
else I might not have been able to enjoy that perfect steak.


Jack

(BUFDRVR) writes:


All the low level sorties were flown at night, if a guy with an AK-47 hit you,
he was very lucky.

Is a small arms round that get inhaled sufficient to FOD an engine?

I have no good image of where between mosquitos and ice & lots_a_rain
[Southern Airways 242] the reality lies.

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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

David Lesher wrote:

Is a small arms round that get inhaled sufficient to FOD an engine?

It depends. Shelling out a TF-33 is pretty hard to do. I've seen pictures of
TF-33s that have inhaled 1/2" bolts and kept running (albeit erratic). I've
landed after sorties and have been handed the "Bird Strike Form" in maintenance
debrief and asked "did I hit a bird?". Post flight maintenance often found them
(their remains) in the engine, yet the engine performed normally throughout the
entire flight.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(BUFDRVR) writes:

David Lesher wrote:

Is a small arms round that get inhaled sufficient to FOD an engine?

It depends. Shelling out a TF-33 is pretty hard to do. I've seen pictures of
TF-33s that have inhaled 1/2" bolts and kept running (albeit erratic). I've
landed after sorties and have been handed the "Bird Strike Form" in maintenance
debrief and asked "did I hit a bird?". Post flight maintenance often found them
(their remains) in the engine, yet the engine performed normally throughout the
entire flight.

Birds I can see errr passing... but I wonder about solid things such
as lead. If they can pass 1/2" bolts, then I think a 50Cal round
is not an issue...

--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

David Lesher wrote:

Birds I can see errr passing... but I wonder about solid things such
as lead. If they can pass 1/2" bolts, then I think a 50Cal round
is not an issue...

Well, that's why I said it depends. There was some luck involved in the 1/2"
bolt incident. A few inches one way or another and significantly more damage
would have occured.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message ...
David Lesher wrote:

Birds I can see errr passing... but I wonder about solid things such
as lead. If they can pass 1/2" bolts, then I think a 50Cal round
is not an issue...

Well, that's why I said it depends. There was some luck involved in the 1/2"
bolt incident. A few inches one way or another and significantly more damage
would have occured.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Back in the late 60s during the night low level part of an ORI located
in Texas my B-52H and several others in the stream sustained damage
from hitting a flock of geese. I had several large holes in the
leading edge of my right wing, but I didn't know I had hit anything
until I landed. The aircraft following me had some TF-33 engine
damage, but the engines did not shell out. In some cases there were
large holes in the side of the enging cowlings where the first stages
of the compressor had flung the ingested birds at a right angle
through the cowling from the inside out. The first stage compressor
blades were a twisted mess, but that was about all.

Gene Myers