Don Henly, Dubya, & Linda Ronstadt

On 13 Aug 2004 02:04:38 GMT, IBM wrote:

* US * wrote in :

[snip]

Hope they don't use blackbox electronic voting systems to thwart
justice.

Its too late.
The fix is in.
Flee for your life.

There's nowhere that would be safe from the ultra-greedy once they're ultimately powerful.

True patriots in many states are working to prevent the use of such
devices.

Those would the folks in the tinfoil hats?

Hardly: they're professors at Harvard and MIT, among others ...

http://www.blackboxvoting.com
http://verifiedvoting.org
http://www.notablesoftware.com/evote.html

"...a former Pentagon Air Force Traffic controller writes:
"All those years ago when I was in the Pentagon, this wouldn't have
happened. ATC Radar images were (and are) available in the

"All those years ago".
Livin in the past.
That was then, this is now.


When did we stop paying for defense?


Why did Bush stand the air defenses down, when he'd been warned repeatedly that
an attack featuring aircraft used on landmarks was imminent?


It's a good idea to question the questionable.

* US * wrote in message ...
On 13 Aug 2004 02:04:38 GMT, IBM wrote:

* US * wrote in :

[snip]

Hope they don't use blackbox electronic voting systems to thwart
justice.

Its too late.
The fix is in.
Flee for your life.

There's nowhere that would be safe from the ultra-greedy once they're
ultimately powerful.

True patriots in many states are working to prevent the use of such
devices.

Those would the folks in the tinfoil hats?

Hardly: they're professors at Harvard and MIT, among others ...

http://www.blackboxvoting.com
http://verifiedvoting.org
http://www.notablesoftware.com/evote.html

"...a former Pentagon Air Force Traffic controller writes:
"All those years ago when I was in the Pentagon, this wouldn't have
happened. ATC Radar images were (and are) available in the

"All those years ago".
Livin in the past.
That was then, this is now.


When did we stop paying for defense?


Why did Bush stand the air defenses down, when he'd been warned repeatedly
that
an attack featuring aircraft used on landmarks was imminent?


It's a good idea to question the questionable.

You maintain the US air defenses were stood down that morning. Prove it.

How many airbases had fighter aircraft loaded and on alert the morning of
9/11?
How many actual aircraft, what types, and where?
More importantly, which specific units were 'stood down'.

Not just a list of air bases, or a list of squadrons that have a flying
mission. Specific units and aircraft, "on alert"

Find this out and get back to us.

Pete

From: * US *
Date: 8/12/2004 10:19 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:23:30 GMT, "Pete" wrote:

"All those years ago..." when we had many, many more aircraft and squadrons
on alert all up and down the east coast.

Bush got warnings of imminent attacks using aircraft on landmarks.

He should have done at least something other than stand down the air
defenses.

Aha!! You ARE maron!!

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

US wrote:

Bush got warnings of imminent attacks using aircraft on landmarks.

He should have done at least something other than stand down the air
defenses.

And I'm sure you'll show us documentation of "imminent" attacks and explain
what actions he took to "stand down the air defenses".


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

* US * wrote:

If you believe that standard procedures for US air defenses were
followed on 9/11, you're the one who need to substantiate that.

You continue to spout this crap without even a moderate clue what you're
talking about. The only east coast units on Air Defense alert on the morning of
9/11 were the F-15As from Otis ANG base in MA. The guard unit who you insinuate
was "stood down" was the ANG unit from Andrews who was indeed airborn on 9/11
(at least a two ship) practicing *air to ground* attacks. Why don't you provide
proof (beyond some tinfoil hat quote from a guy who claims the Pentagon has an
air traffic alert function) of what units were stood down on 9/11?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

In article ,
(BUFDRVR) wrote:

* US * wrote:

If you believe that standard procedures for US air defenses were
followed on 9/11, you're the one who need to substantiate that.

You continue to spout this crap without even a moderate clue what you're
talking about. The only east coast units on Air Defense alert on the
morning of
9/11 were the F-15As from Otis ANG base in MA.

In fairness, also a two-ship at Langley, in VA but a significant
distance from DC/suburban Virginia. They launched following standing
orders that took them out over by the Atlantic. By the time they could
be directed to the DC area, they were too short on fuel to have had much
chance of identifying a specific target in a busy air corridor.

The point remains valid, confirmed by the 9/11 Commission Report, that
there were no air defense aircraft postured to meet the specific threat.
That is quite different than being "stood down". They had no rules of
engagement, local area intercept command, etc., for a threat that had
not been seriously considered.


The guard unit who you
insinuate
was "stood down" was the ANG unit from Andrews who was indeed airborn on
9/11
(at least a two ship) practicing *air to ground* attacks. Why don't you
provide
proof (beyond some tinfoil hat quote from a guy who claims the Pentagon
has an
air traffic alert function) of what units were stood down on 9/11?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Howard Berkowitz wrote:

In fairness, also a two-ship at Langley, in VA

True, I forgot about the guys at Langley. They were "Happy Hooligans" from
Fargo, ND right?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote

Howard Berkowitz wrote:

In fairness, also a two-ship at Langley, in VA

True, I forgot about the guys at Langley. They were "Happy Hooligans" from
Fargo, ND right?

Right. Buddy of mine watched them launch that morning.

Pete

"Pete" wrote in
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"BUFDRVR" wrote

Howard Berkowitz wrote:

In fairness, also a two-ship at Langley, in VA

True, I forgot about the guys at Langley. They were "Happy Hooligans"
from Fargo, ND right?

I believe that is correct.

Right. Buddy of mine watched them launch that morning.

Me too.
I was less than half a mile from the alert hangar.

IBM

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IBM wrote:

* US * wrote in
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The casualties in Iraq are already worse than those from the
comparable period in Vietnam.


U r wun dum phuq.
Lets see 1000 in just over a year.
At that rate it will take at least 5 decades to
match Vietnam.


The bushkultie isn't happy if too few US soldiers are killed ...


Nah, you seem to be confused. Its the Dhimmicreeps who want
blood thigh deep in the streets.

IBM


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What were the casualties in the first year of the Vietnam war,
dumb right wing asshole?

And why isn't a gung ho Noble Republican warmonger in Iraq
pulling some guard duty, instead of sucking right wing dicks
on the internet?

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And so are we..
Our enemies never stop thinking about ways to harm our country and our
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And neither do we.."

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