Bible-beater pilots

Until yesterday I had run into religious fanatics and cult followers in
every walk of life EXCEPT aviation. I guess I had assumed that anyone smart
enough to get their pilot's certificate couldn't be so gullible -- and
rude -- as to go around trying to "save" perfect strangers. I still have a
hard time believing that it wasn't some sort of a "Candid Camera" set up,
but I'm afraid they really, honestly thought they were doing the right
thing.



"smart enough to get a pilot's certificate?"

Who says you have to be smart to get that piece of paper?

Not sure how rude it was - you were certainly free to walk away. It doesn't
seem to be rude to me. I would take more offense at people smoking near me
or not thanking me for holding a door open.

According to their beliefs they were doing the right thing - at least they
were practicing what they believed. I can't imagine it harmed you in any
way.

Good thing you didn't drink the cool aid with them though.

Search engines.

http://www.biblegateway.com/ offers two search windows, in which you can put a
chapter and verse, or a phrase. Take “pray on the street corner.� Input
those words and the program gives you Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, do not
be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on
the street corners to be seen by men.�

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Robert Perkins wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:35:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Simply that God is real, that He's pretty tolerant of
misunderstandings about Him, and that if you want to know more, He'll
lead you to the truth. He isn't described completely in any book of
scripture I know about, *including* the Bible.

What do you think about the Baha'i faith?

I think they take their notions too far, (from the couple of brochures
I've received from them; they had a table in the mall a couple of
years ago) and you're right about the cult of personality thing.

But most young religions tend towards founder worship, if only a
little bit.

Well, there's also a whole crop of roughly 2000 year old religions based
largely on founder worship, right?

But I agree with the above about the Baha'i. Interesting concept, anyway.

Brian.

Nope, do the same with an English translation of the Koran. That'll
*REALLY* get people excited.

Or be fair: equal numbers of KJV Bibles, translated Korans, Torahs, and
one or two others; guests take potluck on what religious propaganda
they've got in their rooms!

Hey, I'm an agnostic, they'll all equally unprovable!


Put the Feynmann Lecturs on Physics in the drawer and be done with it.

Jose

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Ian..Its pretty arrogant and elitist to assume that your religious point
of view is "the one true belief" and trumps all others.

It should be plainly obvious that religion is a creation of man, and not
of a supreme being... because there are too many different flavors.
Hindu, Muslim, Catholic, Jewish and the hundred versions of
protestantism that exist out there..

Jay... my advice is next time... simply say.. "I prefer not to discuss
religion". If that doesnt work, then politely excuse yourself and say,
Im sorry... "But I asked not to talk about this".. and leave. Part of
their game is playing on the "polite obligation" that is part of good
manners. Wether they come knocking on your door in pairs, or flying in
by Mooney, you have no obligation to listen to their proselytic drivel.

Dave

Ian wrote:

Anyone ever run into this before? What did you do?


All you had to do was get up and leave instead of agonizing over the
politeness of how to exit. Nobody forced you to sit there and listen to it.

It's clear you and your family have no moral guidance. I can see how being
raised a Catholic has got you out of tune with God, that's pretty common.
Sure, faith is a personal thing, but we're also commanded to spread the good
news. Tell others. That's what they were doing. You make it sound like
you were trapped because it makes them sound evil and you appear a victim
and we'll feel sorry for you. It's real funny to laugh at the apparent
hypocrites who want to tell you something important while sitting in a
casino. Well they are as imperfect as the rest of us. Who knows - maybe
they go to the casino just to evangelize because they know there are people
there like you who need to hear it. It's the message that's important, not
the person delivering it. Your rejection of the message does not diminish
its truth. Feel free to continue denying God, it is obviously your choice.
It is your unalienable right in this great country to have whatever religion
you want, including none at all. When you're standing at the final
judgement you're going to feel pretty silly remembering how you should have
listened, believed, acted, and provided some leadership to your family in
this most important area of their lives. Are you going to teach your
children about Jesus or let them wander in apathy ? So far, you are lost.
If you think your own inner self, your conscience, your innate sense of
right and wrong should be your guide, if you think its enough just to be a
good person, then you've got it all backwards.

Your prolific newsgroup posting over the last several years now has provided
some interesting insight into your personality. We know what you look like,
where you live, what you like to do, where you like to go, how you earn a
living. Isn't it time you quit worshipping the Pathfinder parked out back
and sought out some real meaning to why you're here ? Some real guidance in
your life ? Pick up the Bible and take another look. That's the real POH.
It's especially hard for smart, successful people like yourself to believe
that they need Jesus because it makes them accept the fact that they are
inadequate and incomplete without Him. Well get used to that concept. From
the janitor to the CEO and from the gambler to the hotel owner, that is
exactly what we all need. The only difference is in how long it takes each
of us to figure it out and make the single most important decision your
entire life. To accept Jesus or reject him. It's just between you and Him,
nobody else. What is it going to be ?

Aviation is a religion...

Our Bethleham is Kitty Hawk
FAA is our Pope
ATC are the priests

and Oshkosh is our Mecca!

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:21:26 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Soon, both men were quoting scripture to us, chapter and verse, "proving"
how "easy" it was to be "saved" by the "true Lord, Jesus", as opposed to the
heathen gods of the other religions.

I can't help but recalling Mel Brooks as Moses (History of the World,
part 1 -- not one of Brooks best films as director).

Moses walks down the hill holding three stone tablets:
"The lord has given me these fifteen..."
he stumbles, drops one tablet, which shatters.
"... these... ah... these TEN Commandments!"

- John (wondering about the other five) Ousterhout -

Heaven is Oshkosh!
Airports and runways are the churches and alters
Communion is Avgas (or mogas!)

We fly to be closer to /our/ God...


Aviation is a religion...

Our Bethleham is Kitty Hawk
FAA is our Pope
ATC are the priests

and Oshkosh is our Mecca!

Ah I see the Pope is still an idiot in a funny hat.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Greg Burkhart" wrote)
Aviation is a religion...

Our Bethleham is Kitty Hawk
FAA is our Pope
ATC are the priests

and Oshkosh is our Mecca!


NASA ......................Scientology
FAR ..........................Bible
Wine ........................ Wine

Easter Morning .......The day after your annual g

--
Montblack

("Greg Burkhart" wrote)
Aviation is a religion...

Our Bethleham is Kitty Hawk
FAA is our Pope
ATC are the priests

and Oshkosh is our Mecca!


NASA ......................Scientology
FAR ..........................Bible
Wine ........................ Wine

Easter Morning .......The day after your annual g

--
Montblack