interesting moment yesterday on final

"Maxwell" wrote in message
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So what's you point?


Circling may not be an option.



I don't know, you snipped it.


I snipped nothing.

"Maxwell" wrote in message
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Because 10 miles is not a final, it's an approach.


Where do you find those definitions?

On Jun 7, 6:30 am, "Neil Gould" wrote:
Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

Oh? When was this added to the Private Knowledge Test or Practical?


I don't know, but I suspect it was quite some time ago. I'll try to
find out.

Title 14: Aeronautics and Space

PART 61-CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND
INSTRUCTORS

§ 61.105 Aeronautical knowledge.

(a) General. A person who is applying for a private pilot certificate
must receive and log ground training from an authorized instructor or
complete a home-study course on the aeronautical knowledge areas of
paragraph (b) of this section that apply to the aircraft category and
class rating sought.

(4) Use of aeronautical charts for VFR navigation using pilotage, dead
reckoning, and navigation systems;

(5) Radio communication procedures;

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

"Jose" wrote:

How many newly minted VFR pilots even know how to read an approach
plate?


Every newly minted VFR pilot should be able to identify the fixes in
the plan view of an IAP.

Oh? When was this added to the Private Knowledge Test or Practical?

Neil

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

On Jun 7, 6:30 am, "Neil Gould" wrote:
Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

Oh? When was this added to the Private Knowledge Test or Practical?


I don't know, but I suspect it was quite some time ago. I'll try to
find out.

Do that. It hasn't been.

Title 14: Aeronautics and Space

PART 61-CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND
INSTRUCTORS

§ 61.105 Aeronautical knowledge.

(a) General. A person who is applying for a private pilot certificate
must receive and log ground training from an authorized instructor or
complete a home-study course on the aeronautical knowledge areas of
paragraph (b) of this section that apply to the aircraft category and
class rating sought.

(4) Use of aeronautical charts for VFR navigation using pilotage, dead
reckoning, and navigation systems;

(5) Radio communication procedures;

You do realize that NONE of the above involves IAPs, don't you?

Neil

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message
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Of course not, that is an assinine statement. An IFR pilot who
reports a navaid or especially an intersection inbound is just
fouling the air. It is irrelevant that it is on the sectional. Nobody
with two brain cells left whips out a sectional while in the
pattern to locate the idiot IFR pilot.


So VFR pilots don't use sectionals in preflight planning or while in
flight. Why do they carry them at all?

http://skyvector.com/#22-28-3-2358-2654

There's the sectional for my home airport KELD. Please let me know from
this section where the fixes are ann what there names are.

"Maxwell" wrote in message
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Again, so what's you point?


It was stated, "If conditions are so bad that the arriving aircraft can't
transition in time, then it's unlikely that the airport is VFR legal
anyway." The airport can remain legal well after conditions deteriorate to
preclude circling.

"Maxwell" wrote in message
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Paragraph 8e states the turn to base leg should commence 45 degrees from
the threshold, which requires final to be the approximately as long as the
downwind is from the runway.


Stating that the turn from downwind to base leg should commence 45 degrees
from the threshold does not mean that final does not extend beyond the base
leg.



Where is AC 90-66 inconsistant with the FARs?


FAR 91.113(g) states very clearly that aircraft on final have the
right-of-way. If you believe AC 90-66A says aircraft flying a full pattern
have the right of way you must believe that AC 90-66A is inconsistent with
the FARs.

"Crash Lander" wrote in message
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It seems a lot of people have differing views on the interpretation of
this scenario. Maybe they should change the wording, and ruling to state
that an a/c cannot announce that they are on finals, until they are at
circuit height. That would just about rule out straight ins, and at least
if someone does come in on a straight in approach, all the traffic already
in the pattern is at the same altitude, and will spot him easier, rather
than looking to a higher altitude for an a/c that may be hidden by
sunglare or cloud.


Rule out straight-ins? Easy. Just put the requirement in the FARs that all
arrival aircraft at nontowered fields fly a full pattern and eliminate
straight-in minima those fields.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net...

"Crash Lander" wrote in message
...

It seems a lot of people have differing views on the interpretation of
this scenario. Maybe they should change the wording, and ruling to state
that an a/c cannot announce that they are on finals, until they are at
circuit height. That would just about rule out straight ins, and at least
if someone does come in on a straight in approach, all the traffic
already
in the pattern is at the same altitude, and will spot him easier, rather
than looking to a higher altitude for an a/c that may be hidden by
sunglare or cloud.


Rule out straight-ins? Easy. Just put the requirement in the FARs that
all arrival aircraft at nontowered fields fly a full pattern and eliminate
straight-in minima those fields.


And ignore any FAA recommended procedures that promote safe operations.