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Mxsmanic wrote in
: That's exactly what it says. Trust your instruments, ignore your sensations. Hey, you dumb ****, vision is a sense. You don't know **** from shinola Anthony. You're a moron. |
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On May 17, 9:30*am, A Lieberman wrote:
Listening to your engine is a secondary airspeed ***TREND*** indicator. *Ignore that, and you will be in more of a boatload of trouble when your vacuum system goes belly up. *Hearing my engine while under partial panel procedures probably was the sense that made my life exponentially easier, and the last I know of, hearing is a sense or a sensation.. I never expected a simulator to replace physical feedback in a real cockpit, but this last paragraph is interesting because noticed that, in a sim, it is a lot easier to fly if the engine can be heard. Many time I have fumble to find the voice control because information was lacking. But as mentioned, I only use a Sim for theory, not physical feedback. -Le Chaud Lapin- |
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Le Chaud Lapin writes:
I never expected a simulator to replace physical feedback in a real cockpit, but this last paragraph is interesting because noticed that, in a sim, it is a lot easier to fly if the engine can be heard. Many time I have fumble to find the voice control because information was lacking. I've noticed the same thing, but it's no surprise. Often there is no direct indication of what the engine(s) is doing on the visible instruments, and there is no motion in the sim. That, coupled with the delay inherent in the response of many engines and the delay in the airframe's reaction, makes it easier to fly if the engine can be heard. Fortunately, MSFS handles engine sounds in a fairly consistent and predictable way. |
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On May 17, 11:24*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
It's entirely right. *You cannot trust sensations in IMC. *You must trust your instruments. Did you read my post? Did you forget the fact my vacuum system wasn't working? How can I trust the instruments? The instruments do a better job of that, and they are consistent and reliable. Not when the vacuum system is broke. I just experienced it yesterday. Are you telling me I am wrong that my attitude indicator showed a pitch up yet I was on level flight that I am to ignore my senses and fly by the attitude indicator? If you are watching your instruments and you know your aircraft, why are you experiencing stall buffet? Uh, did you forget climb is pretty close to stall buffet? A couple of degrees pitch up and you will get close to stall buffet. Of course you don't feel that in the simulator. I'm not sure that I'd want ILS needles in the seat of my pants. That's because you don't fly a real plane. Again, you are in the wrong newsgroup. You have it backwards: The instruments confirm, not the sensations. *You don't need a confirmation of instruments. *If there is a disagreement between sensations and instruments, the instruments take priority. Wrong. I have been there. You have not. The ABSENSE of a feeling is more important then defective instruments (see above, hint vacuum failure). If you're instruments tell you that you're in trouble, you're in trouble. *If they tell you that you're not in trouble, you're safe. *The seat of your pants may tell you all sorts of things, but relying on it will result in an accident. WRONG. See above regarding vacuum failures. Completely false. *In IMC, you must trust your instruments if you want to stay alive. *Ignore what you feel. WRONG See above regarding vacuum failures. Look at your instruments; they'll tell you if something is wrong. WRONG See above regarding vacuum failures. ILS minimums, it's only 20 seconds. *The more you use your senses WITH instruments in IMC, the better chance your outcome will be. You aren't in IMC below minimums. WRONG Re-read what I said above. You got to use your senses to get to minimums. Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a vacuum failure. The primary instruments failed, I cannot use them. Everything on a sim doesn't even come close to what I experienced. Oh yeah, it wasn't straight and level flight, instrument approaches require turns. Using an attitude indicator that displays level flight and a DG that doesn't move and my GPS shows degrees ticking off, doesn't bode well for survival if I don't trust my senses ALONG with the backup instruments. Can't wait for your answer on the above. |
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On May 17, 2:54*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
*Fortunately, MSFS handles engine sounds in a fairly consistent and predictable way. So, in this case the simulator fails in teaching the real world as engine sounds are not consistent or predictable. Take a XC in a REAL plane over a rural area, and you will KNOW what I am talking about. Sim won't do it. |
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On May 17, 11:30*am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
I orient myself visually, either looking out the window or looking at the instruments. I navigate visually. But I FLY by feel. I do as well, especially the last 6 inches of flight on landing :-) Touch of power just to feel it in the seat of my pants so wheels gently meet terra firma. That touch of power, while not noticeable to the passenger shows up vividly on my videos by watching the strobing of the prop in my flare. Invariably, you will see it reverse direction as I treat the last few inches over the runway. Same for ILS, slip below glide slope, add just enough power to feel it in my britches to "drive it" back to glide slope. No sim will ever be able to simulate the finer points of flying as it takes sensation even in solid IMC. In my case, the instrument is confirming what I feel by the recapture of a glide slope. |
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A Lieberman writes:
So, in this case the simulator fails in teaching the real world as engine sounds are not consistent or predictable. They are very consistent and predictable. So much so that they can be used for analysis of accidents. |
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