interesting moment yesterday on final

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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To paraphrase Walt Whitman:
It is the FAA. It is large, it contains multitudes. It contradicts itself.


So which practice should be followed? The one in AC 90-66A which provides
reliable information to none or the one in AC 90-42F which provides reliable
information to some?

"Jose" wrote in message
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They use sectionals in planning but don't memorize the location of all
intersections enroute. Therefore if they need to find an intersection,
they would need to consult the chart. Intersections are not prominant.

They carry sectionals to refer to in flight, and smart pilots refer to
them when looking out the window isn't critical. Smart pilots, for
example, aren't looking for an intersection on a sectional while a hundred
feet above the threshold, or when they are near an airport and scanning
for traffic in the pattern (and other traffic shooting through the
pattern).


We've not been discussing the common practices of smart pilots, we've been
discussing the common practices of typical VFR pilots. Smart pilots
recognize and know where the FAFs are at their home airports and will obtain
that information as part of their preflight planning for fields they intend
to operate at.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Why not? Surely you see the contradiction between the two ACs.


Jose was referring only to AC 90-42F, as was I in my response.

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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You do realize that NONE of the above pertains to IAPs, don't you?

What parts of "...pertinent to his certificate...", or "...visual contact
flying..." confuses you so badly?


It is you that is confused. Jose asked, "How many newly minted VFR pilots
even know how to read an approach plate?" I responded, "Every newly minted
VFR pilot should be able to identify the fixes in the plan view of an IAP."
If one has the knowledge of aeronautical charts required by FAR 61.105 then
one has the knowledge to examine the legend and plan views of IAPs in a TPP
and determine the locations of FAFs.

"Jose" wrote in message
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So now, in a busy pattern, the pilot, after hearing that somebody or other
is "at CHIPP inbound", turns his head away from the window and down at his
sectional to fail to find CHIPP. He then reaches into his flight bag and
pulls out the approach plate book. No, not that one, this one. Ok, we're
at South Arkansas Regional/Goodwin. Is it filed under Goodwin, or under
South Arkansas? Or maybe under El Dorado, the nearest town. Flip flip.
Ok, found it. Examine the ILS 22. Nope. Not there. Now look at the RNAV
4. No joy. How about the RNAV 22. There it is... nope. Misread it. How
about the VOR 4... here it is. CHIPP. Now, where is it in real life;
there isn't a scale of miles. How about down here in the plan view... ok
3.5 miles from the....


No, smart pilots already know where the fixes are. They obtained that
information during their flight planning.

"Jose" wrote in message
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Well, it doesn't matter what is preferred. It matters what is used. And
"the lady" and "the tanks" and "the hospital" are all used by pilots to
announce their position. So, that information is also "information
concerning that flight".


No. Those are bad practices.

"Jose" wrote in message
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It has been asserted, not demonstrated.


It has been demonstrated.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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http://skyvector.com/#22-28-3-2358-2654

There's the sectional for my home airport KELD. Please let me know
from this section where the fixes are ann what there names are.


That cannot be determined from a sectional. You have to examine the
IAP charts to find the FAFs, they're free online at several sites. I
use www.aeroplanner.com.




So let's make this clear. It is your assertion that it is the duty of a
pilot flying, under VFR rules, to have the IAP charts with them or to have
them memorized?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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So let's make this clear. It is your assertion that it is the duty of a
pilot flying, under VFR rules, to have the IAP charts with them or to have
them memorized?


No, I made no such assertion.

Well, it doesn't matter what is preferred. It matters what is used. And
"the lady" and "the tanks" and "the hospital" are all used by pilots to
announce their position. So, that information is also "information
concerning that flight".

No. Those are bad practices.

No they aren't. Following the FAA's advisories to the letter without
thinking about whether that's a good idea are bad practices.

Jose
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