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Woke up this morning and for the first time in weeks (months?), there were NO NEW "HARD DECK" POSTS. It couldn't last. And didn't. But we're close, I think, now that we all agree.
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 9:57:46 AM UTC-8, BobW wrote:
What am I missing? Are (arguably, often-casually read/absorbed/understood by non-podium-contenders) contest rules *seriously* considered a more powerful influence on pilot behavior than the obvious, immediate, economic-/health-risks "imminently-possible downsides" associated with every off-field landing? If you've not seen participants taking substantially higher risks in competition than they otherwise would, you haven't been to many competitions. Including but not limited to soaring competitions. As a pop metric, the Google search "taking risk in sports competition" returns 106 million results including countless academic papers studying the subject. That's one the the major reasons there are rules in competitions. And - one more time - the rules may not have any effect on some competitors, but it prevents everyone else from having to do the same thing to be competitive. The argument that the individual pilot is solely responsible for their own safety was lost when parachutes were required, and the presence or lack of one has no possibility of affecting others scores or behavior. |
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 10:17:54 AM UTC-8, Steve Koerner wrote:
On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 10:03:13 AM UTC-7, Andy Blackburn wrote: On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 11:31:25 AM UTC-5, jfitch wrote: 30 mile cylinder: I didn't say no one would finish - I said no one would return to Truckee. Unless the finish cylinder height was very high. If it is 30 miles and 8000 ft, you will finish over the Carson or Sierraville valley at 8000', with a lot of work to do late in the dying day if you are trying to avoid a retrieve. My typo - I meant return to Truckee. You could have the finish at 10,000' MSL & 15 miles which is ~35:1 to the edge of the normal finish cylinder. Sort of a permanent safety finish. 9B Yes, that's how I was thinking of it -- a permanent safety finish. Set the diameter and height such that it is not essential to return to Truckee valley for a finish yet will not make it significantly more difficult to complete a return to the cool pines if you don't have a motor. We could even set the finish ring all the out to the Pinenuts. That would be odd and unusual. But odd and unusual isn't a reason not to do it when it solves two big problems. Yeah, that would do it. The last 15 miles are pretty much skill free anyway, so not measuring much except the performance of your glider. |
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What am I missing? Are (arguably, often-casually
read/absorbed/understood by non-podium-contenders) contest rules *seriously* considered a more powerful influence on pilot behavior than the obvious, immediate, economic-/health-risks "imminently-possible downsides" associated with every off-field landing? If you've not seen participants taking substantially higher risks in competition than they otherwise would, you haven't been to many competitions. Man - while this may be an exercise in intellectually punching an infinitely large pillow, the above response completely misses (ignores?) the point I was seeking to make. I don't dispute the validity of accepting "higher risk in competition" attitude as being a real thing. I simply am wondering if it is being *seriously* argued that the simultaneously-at-issue (to Joe Competition pilot) potential life-altering/-ending stakes associated with bozo OFL-related decision-making are likely to be in any way brought *more* to his attention by the presence of such a truly arcane rule than the physically omni-present and unignorable facts of OFL life. I, for one, doubt it would, but if the "Contestistas" want to find out, have at it! - - - - - - And - one more time - the rules may not have any effect on some competitors, but it prevents everyone else from having to do the same thing to be competitive. Say what? I thought this canard had already been thoroughly debunked up-thread, by more than one competition-experienced pilot. Maybe I missed it, so feel free to tell me again how many "western U.S. competitions" have been won due to the presence of those weak-but-sufficiently-consistent contest days that were won by someone actually taking advantage of "below-proposed hard deck" rules. - - - - - - The argument that the individual pilot is solely responsible for their own safety was lost when parachutes were required, and the presence or lack of one has no possibility of affecting others scores or behavior. Equating mandated parachutes to a mandated hard deck seems a truly torturous/"stretching" analogy to me, but in any event I wasn't aware I made any such "parallel claim" (or argument or even vague suggestion) along that line. I simply don't think the proposed rule will have any actual effect on your western U.S. contest placings. I'll be leaving this thread now; my pillow-punching demons have been exorcised. Bob W. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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Another reason for a hard deck - leaping elk.
http://www.wral.com/leaping-elk-cras...pter/17336678/ Andy Blackburn 9B |
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Amen, Rick. Great sensible words.
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