Flaps on take-off and landing

mike regish writes:

Some small bizjets do have active ANR installed in the cabins.

I assume they don't work via the windows, though. Probably with
strategically-placed speakers instead.

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Marty Shapiro writes:

The IRS allows 47.5 cents/mile as the cost to operate a car if its use is
tax deductible.

You use IRS figures for the car, but not for the plane. How much does
the IRS allow for operating a plane instead of a car?

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Margy Natalie writes:

If you want to fly in a tin can go commercial. Why would I want to ride
in a Greyhound bus when I can drive my Audi?

That doesn't answer my question. How much would it cost to rent a 737
instead of a tiny plastic plane? Just because you prefer a tiny plane
for your leisure doesn't mean that everyone else feels the same way.

In reality, I don't know of any practical way to fly large jets in
real life for pleasure. Even John Travolta doesn't seem to get around
much in his 707, and it's a crusty old airframe compared to the modern
aircraft that some of us might prefer to fly (I'm sure he had to
compromise, as I don't think he really prefers the 707 to more recent
equipment).

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Marty Shapiro writes:

No more so than the hood of a car extends beyond the front window. You
can't see the ground immediately in front of you, but you can see the
ground in front of you.

How much of the runway can you see from the cockpit?

The instrument panel is only imposing when you are not a pilot.

Pilots must be extremely tall, then.

After a while, it is no more imposing than the "instrument
panel" in your car. Even when you are on an IFR flight, if the weather
conditions are VMC, you've got to look out of the window. You also have to
be able to see in front of you to taxi to the runway.

At the viewing angles I see for small craft (particular those that
don't sit level on the ground), it should be practically impossible to
see much of the runway.

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Thomas Borchert writes:

Listen, if you don't want to fly, so be it. But don't try to
rationalize it.

If you want to fly, so be it. But don't try to say that it's not
extremely expensive.

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Thomas Borchert writes:

A driver's license for 100k? Yeah, right.

All costs combined: license, insurance, fuel, maintenance, the
amortized cost of the car, etc. Even a cheap car costs thousands of
dollars a year to operate for the average person. Aircraft are much
more expensive.

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mike regish writes:

I go before I take off. No brainer.

That still limits most people to 3-5 hours of flight.

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mike regish writes:

The wheels shouldn't touch until the plane stops flying. If you bounce, the
plane wasn't done flying or your wheels were too high when it did.

Yes, but sometimes it happens, just the same.

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mike regish writes:

Minus all those neat sustained G forces.

That's the part I don't like. It's uncomfortable and unhealthy.

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:19:53 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:48:57 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

Larry Dighera writes:

Personally, I chose to reside ten minutes from the airport, so the
drive is not too bad.

I got as close as I could and still put up my ham station.


A good solution if you have the option. But most people are
constrained to live far from airports.

Generally you have a choice of jobs, how close to an airport your live
and job location. IF a person is willing to change jobs, professions,
or locations they may be able to end up close to work and fairly close
to an airport.

Most people are not pilots.

Which ain't necessarily all bad.


The closest airport for me is
about 12 miles away, as the crow (er, aircraft) flies.

I'm only a bit over 4 1/2 miles from the airport where I have the Deb
based. Unfortunately you can't get there from here. There is a river
between me and town. There are only two bridges although they are
planning to put one in just about a mile from me. When they do that my
trip to the airport would drop from 10 1/2 to about 5 miles. Currently
both bridges are well out of the way to get where I want. If they had
the new bridge in I could ride my bicycle back and fourth.


Le Bourget is only abut half that far from the center of Paris. It's
a choice.

The ideal would be to live in one of those cool airparks where
everyone has a driveway in front and a taxiway out back, but how many
people can afford to do that?

I like aviation, but I'm not fond of noise. The _ideal_ would be to

I love airplanes and we are on the centerline for the GPS 06 approach
to 3BS and about a mile and a half in from the FAF. Even when working
in the shop I still have to run outside to see what's going over.

reside on enough acreage to have your own private runway and hangar on
your property:

A friend has his own sod strip about 2 miles from me which would be
great in the summer. The Deb does real well on sod and is a good
short field plane although the sod strip is 3800 feet long.

But to get back to flaps on Take off and landing.
I don't recall the 150, 172, Cherokee 180, or even Bonanza requiring
flaps on TO.

On landing I generally run 10 down wind.15 to 20 on base, and about 30
until the runway is made and then it's full flaps whether it's windy
of calm, gusty or steady. The only time I don't use full flaps is the
one or two landings I do every few weeks with no flaps.
Prior to full flaps I said generally as how much I use depends on
conditions and how steep a final I want.





Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com