What kind of Cessna

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:48:51 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:

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Last AW was built May 1930. DC-6A and B were different airframe and
different wing than the DC-6. Not the same airplane by any stretch of the
imagination. 120, 140, 170, 190, 195 were in one form or another business
aircraft answering the original question. C3 was a business aircraft built
in '33 certified in '34, it was not an AA. It had a totally different
wing, extensive fuselage modificationas and obviously a different engine
than an AA and was certified as a C3 not an AA. The C106, C106A and the
P-10 were business aircraft built during the time period in question.

Picture is of a '52 B model (I think), but somebody at Cessna was
trying to suggest the 170 could be used for business:

http://www.havasreti.com/images/sales_brochure_1.jpg

I don't know if earlier ads for the late 1940s 170 ragwing had the
"Businessliner" moniker or not....

I like this picture too:

http://www.havasreti.com/images/sales_brochure_4.jpg

Makes it look like he's riding in the back of a 1947 Packard!
Not to mention the fact that the 170 probably wouldn't get off the
ground loaded with all that luggage in the back....

(I own/fly a '54 C-170B so I'm allowed to make fun of
the ads....). 8^)

Bela P. Havasreti

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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Last AW was built May 1930. DC-6A and B were different airframe and
different wing than the DC-6. Not the same airplane by any stretch of
the
imagination. 120, 140, 170, 190, 195 were in one form or another business
aircraft answering the original question. C3 was a business aircraft
built in '33 certified in '34, it was not an AA. It had a totally
different wing, extensive fuselage modificationas and obviously a
different engine than an AA and was certified as a C3 not an AA. The
C106, C106A and the P-10 were business aircraft built during the time
period in question.


The original question was what kind of Cessna business aircraft might have
replaced a Staggerwing taken for the war effort. Perhaps you believe the
war referred to was Korea or Vietnam, but I think most, like me, believe
it was WWII. That would rule out the 120, 140, 170, 190, and 195.

The C-106 project was a small transport for the military using a minimum
of strategic materials. One prototype flew under the registration
NX24176, the project was cancelled and the airplane scrapped before the
end of the war. It was not a business aircraft.

The C-106A was an improved version of the C-106. One prototype flew under
the registration NX44600. A contract for 500 was issued by the USAAF but
the project was cancelled before any were built. The sole airplane was
scrapped before the end of the war. It was not a business aircraft.

The P-10 was to be a high performance two place multiengine trainer in the
same class as the Curtiss AT-9. One prototype using many T-50 components
was completed and flew under the registration NX34751 in October 1941.
The military was not interested and the airplane was dismantled the
following year. It was not a business aircraft.

According to Bob Pickett, the official Cessna historian, and Mitch
Mayborn, who co-authored "Cessna Guidebook", the sole C-3 was an extensive
modification to AA c/n 124, NC5335. Changes included a NACA cowling over
the 125 hp Warner, a wider 4-place cabin, and a DC-6 type landing gear.
The rebuilt airplane was sold under the registration NC12568. I see no
reason to believe they are wrong and you are right.

The DC-6 was originally powered by a 170 hp Curtiss Challenger. All but
the first one were re-engined with the 225 hp Wright J-6-7, becoming
equivalent to the DC-6B. The DC-6A was built with a 300 hp J-6-9 and the
DC-6B was built with a 225 hp J-6-7.


Sorry Steve but when it comes to Cessna history you aren't even in the ball
park. Quote Pickett and Mayborn from their paperback book and Ed Phillips
and an Eye to the Sky if you care to procure those books but you will still
have a long way to go.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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Sorry Steve but when it comes to Cessna history you aren't even in the
ball park. Quote Pickett and Mayborn from their paperback book and Ed
Phillips and an Eye to the Sky if you care to procure those books but you
will still have a long way to go.


Okay. Let's see how extensive your knowledge of Cessna history is. What
businesses operated Cessna C-106s, C-106As, or P-10s? How many were built?
How many 120s, 140s, 170s, 190s, and 195s were built before the end of WWII?

But that little jewel of trivia doesn't apply to nicknames we give decades
or even centuries.

It certainly applies to centuies. The first 100 years began with year 1
and ended with year 100. I suppose the ninteenth century (1801-1900)
and the "eighteen hundreds" could be "off by one" should you wish call
the "1940s" 1940-49.

And if we give nicknames, we can nickname them anything we want. So
there.

Jose
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("Steven P. McNicoll" wrote)
Right. "The '40s" means the years 1940 through 1949.


Agreed.

And yet ...if a baby is born Jan 5th 1939, on Jan 4th 1941 that baby will
still be only one calender year old. '39, '40, '41. Hmm? :-)


Montblack
"What people thought happened in the 60's really happened in the 70's"

"Bela P. Havasreti" wrote in message
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I don't know if earlier ads for the late 1940s 170 ragwing had the
"Businessliner" moniker or not....


So how went the war effort in the late 1940s?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
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So is 1940 part of the '30s? I know your getting that from the Millennium
crap that this millennium didn't start until 2001 and that is true
because there was no year Zero and millennium means 1000 years.

But that little jewel of trivia doesn't apply to nicknames we give
decades or even centuries.

Right. "The '40s" means the years 1940 through 1949.


And that decade was part of the 1900's along with 1900.

"Jose" wrote in message
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But that little jewel of trivia doesn't apply to nicknames we give
decades or even centuries.

It certainly applies to centuies. The first 100 years began with year 1
and ended with year 100. I suppose the ninteenth century (1801-1900) and
the "eighteen hundreds" could be "off by one" should you wish call the
"1940s" 1940-49.

And if we give nicknames, we can nickname them anything we want. So
there.

Jose
--
The 1800's and the nineteenth century are no the same thing. But that is
beside the point you never answered if you thought 1940 was in the 30's or
not.

And that decade was part of the 1900's ...

1900s

Jose
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Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:28:42 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Bela P. Havasreti" wrote in message
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I don't know if earlier ads for the late 1940s 170 ragwing had the
"Businessliner" moniker or not....


So how went the war effort in the late 1940s?


You will have to wallow & wrestle in the mud by yourself
this time.... 8^)

Bela P. Havasreti