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BD-5 crash in Australia
Richard Riley wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:23:09 +0800, Stealth Pilot wrote: ...so now when you guys endlessly flame yawn for not flying his bd5 consider the reality and risks that he faces. I think the reason yawn is flamed isn't that he won't fly his BD5. Rather, it's that he continues to flog the BD5 as wonderful, easy to fly, totally evolved, beyond all it's early problems and better than competitors like the Vari Eze or KR1. And THEN he won't fly his own. My prayers for your friend. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To reinforce the above fact that Yawn is his own worst enemy... He also belittled the Vans RV-3 as being less safe than the BD-5. I don't recall the particulars, but Yawn stated in this ng that the Van's RV-3 was a death trap, I was quite stupid and would shortly be very dead for flying one. That was probably 7 years and 700 RV-3 hours ago. IMO, Yawn is nothing more than a megalomaniacal loud mouth confrontational coward. All hat and no cattle..... Barnyard Cropduster BOb - 53 years of powered flight |
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BD-5 crash in Australia
On 22 May 2007 09:41:35 -0700, wright1902glider
wrote: Stealth, Do you know if this was a compressive spine injury? I must show peter these posts one day. he refuses news interviews and would probably be embarrassed by me making comment. I dont think the full medical investigation has been done but the answer is probably. his seat was the standard BD5 seat I think, with an inch of temperfoam or similar under his bum. the BD5 is a pretty small aircraft and would be worse than a wittman w8 tailwind for sink rates on the back side of the performance curve. the engine hiccup occurred below best glide speed and I think he was caught by high sink rates with stuff all time to react. in this respect the BD5 is no different than the Robinson R22 where there is a period after liftoff and before best climb speed where an interruption in power means that you are in for a bruising. btw I was a thousand Kilometers away in Newman when this occurred and I've only seen the dramatic newspaper shots. like you guys I'm not morbidly fascinated by his misfortune but by the engineering and aerodynamic considerations of designing a small very fast aircraft. I discussed the seating considerations with the other BD5 pilot last night (there are 2 bd5's on our airfield, the only two flying in australia) the sheer small size of the fuselage restricts the ability to pad the seating any more than what they've done. having the wheels up didnt help any either. designwise it is interesting that having the engine behind the pilot seems not to have been a factor in the success or failure during the prang of the aircraft. it is conjectural what contribution the extra weight of the turbo honda engine would have made to the sink rates. induced drag would be the bugger here I think. oh so much for the idea that having the wing below you improves survivability rates. it makes no difference in some situations. maybe the hotdog method of achieving liftoff then maintaing low level horizontal flight and accelerating like hell before climb out is a better way of flying them. interesting. Stealth Pilot |
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("Stealth Pilot" wrote)
I'm proud of the efforts of my fellow pilots. they took some gutsy actions at considerable personal risk. ....and I often doubted that they ever had it in them. Stealth Pilot member of the Sport Aircraft Builders Club of Western Australia. ....and proud you should be! Montblack |
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"Stealth Pilot" wrote maybe the hotdog method of achieving liftoff then maintaing low level horizontal flight and accelerating like hell before climb out is a better way of flying them. interesting. You may have finally made a positive point for hot-dogging. Anyone think of a down side? -- Jim in NC |
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BD-5 crash in Australia
In article , Barnyard BOb says...
...so now when you guys endlessly flame yawn for not flying his bd5 consider the reality and risks that he faces. I think the reason yawn is flamed isn't that he won't fly his BD5. Rather, it's that he continues to flog the BD5 as wonderful, easy to fly, totally evolved, beyond all it's early problems and better than competitors like the Vari Eze or KR1. And THEN he won't fly his own. My prayers for your friend. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To reinforce the above fact that Yawn is his own worst enemy... He also belittled the Vans RV-3 as being less safe than the BD-5. I don't recall the particulars, but Yawn stated in this ng that the Van's RV-3 was a death trap, I was quite stupid and would shortly be very dead for flying one. That was probably 7 years and 700 RV-3 hours ago. IMO, Yawn is nothing more than a megalomaniacal loud mouth confrontational coward. All hat and no cattle..... I can imagine if this incident happened in my design. Jaun would be all over me blaming me for what happened.Funny there's never a peep out of him when a BD is involved. Unfortunately sometimes bad things happen in this game of experimental flying and a lot of times it's just bad luck.Sounds like that's the case here in the BD-5 incident.From what I read he was on the ground with the engine running for a longer time then normal and possibly the internal cowling temps got higher then usual causing the possible vapor lock. That can be remedied now that the problem is identified. The bad luck is that the engine ran just long enough to put the pilot into a very bad spot.Good luck would have the engine quit during T/O with room to stop or better yet on the run up.No blame here just bad luck. My best wishes to the pilot and I pray for his complete recovery.The fact that he's recovering feeling in his feet is a very good sign.Good luck to all. Chuck S |
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On 23 May 2007 05:16:08 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
wrote: Unfortunately sometimes bad things happen in this game of experimental flying and a lot of times it's just bad luck.Sounds like that's the case here in the BD-5 incident.From what I read he was on the ground with the engine running for a longer time then normal and possibly the internal cowling temps got higher then usual causing the possible vapor lock. That can be remedied now that the problem is identified. The bad luck is that the engine ran just long enough to put the pilot into a very bad spot.Good luck would have the engine quit during T/O with room to stop or better yet on the run up.No blame here just bad luck. My best wishes to the pilot and I pray for his complete recovery.The fact that he's recovering feeling in his feet is a very good sign.Good luck to all. Chuck S pretty much in line with what peter thinks. he is amazed that pilots in america are praying for him. he, like me is atheist :-) someone in the club has organised a firesale this weekend of the stuff in his hangar. actually we arent sure who thought to organise it but they'll be losing their nuts if he ever finds out. the thought that someone would make off with the new BD5 that he is working on simply horrified him. he is well on the mend and looking forward to getting on with it. now if the feeling would return to the legs he'll be really chipper. stealth pilot |
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In article , Stealth Pilot says...
The bad luck is that the engine ran just long enough to put the pilot into a very bad spot.Good luck would have the engine quit during T/O with room to stop or better yet on the run up.No blame here just bad luck. My best wishes to the pilot and I pray for his complete recovery.The fact that he's recovering feeling in his feet is a very good sign.Good luck to all. Chuck S pretty much in line with what peter thinks. he is amazed that pilots in america are praying for him. he, like me is atheist :-) Think of prayer like chicken soup when you have a cold.It might not help but maybe it won't hurt either :-)As atheists you may not think praying has any validity but just consider it our way of offering someone our very best wishes for good luck and in this case a speedy recovery. someone in the club has organised a firesale this weekend of the stuff in his hangar. actually we arent sure who thought to organise it but they'll be losing their nuts if he ever finds out. the thought that someone would make off with the new BD5 that he is working on simply horrified him. A "firesale" seems that's the last thing someone would do LOL!! he is well on the mend and looking forward to getting on with it. now if the feeling would return to the legs he'll be really chipper. Well we'll continue to extend to Peter our very best wishes for a good recovery so he can get on with the rebuild or the new project. Chuck S |
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"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote Think of prayer like chicken soup when you have a cold.It might not help but maybe it won't hurt either :-)As atheists you may not think praying has any validity but just consider it our way of offering someone our very best wishes for good luck and in this case a speedy recovery. More than that, I think. I have seen things happen that either are the most improbable collections of coincidence, or put another way, a miracle of sorts. An atheist looks at it as the improbable happening, and others look at it as a touch of The Almighty. A religious person prays for a person to recover well, and believes that his God can make it happen. Who is to say that it will not? In Christianity, the believers are told to love their enemy, (not that the atheist is an enemy) and pray for non believers. That is what they are doing. So, in short, I hope that some combination of happenings combine to contribute to a fast and full recovery. How I make that wish is a personal thing, and no less meaningful, no matter who it is for, and no matter how that hope is expressed. -- Jim in NC |
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BD-5 crash in Australia
"Morgans" wrote in message ... In Christianity, the believers are told to love their enemy, (not that the atheist is an enemy) and pray for non believers. That is what they are doing. Funny, I've noticed over the years that for the most part the more a person or group calls on God, the more they love their enemy dead. |
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BD-5 crash in Australia
On Wed, 23 May 2007 19:09:31 -0300, "Dave"
wrote: "Morgans" wrote in message ... In Christianity, the believers are told to love their enemy, (not that the atheist is an enemy) and pray for non believers. That is what they are doing. Funny, I've noticed over the years that for the most part the more a person or group calls on God, the more they love their enemy dead. You've just met the wrong people. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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