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"Stephen Cook" s comments read:
Two pilots in my club have recently completed an assistant instructors course in the UK. Apparently they are now being taught not to turn, but to achieve separation from the tug by climbing (i.e. slowing down) straight ahead. Which would mirror my recent flight with the National Coach who said "climb to achieve separation" -- Tim - ASW20CL "20" |
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I think I know him or, one just like him! :-)
At 14:54 17 July 2003, Tim wrote: Simon Walker s comments read: Well, in any situation there are always going to be 'Ah but what if's' That's why we all, hopefully, use a big dash of common sense when flying, try and anticipate possible problems and modify our actions to minimise the risk in any given situation. Absolutely - I was just thinking an ex-tuggie I knew and feared. Occasionally the best option was 'Winch please!' -- Tim - ASW20CL '20' |
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Michael wrote:
This is exactly what I don't wish to do. He doesn't need a complete transition course, power to gliding. He is already a competent glider pilot. Repeating the basics would be a waste of time and money. Agreed. But why not sit down with him and discuss the procedures? As I interpret your posts, in the USA, you have fairly strict procedures written on paper. In other countries, this is not nesseceraily so. I don't know for Italy, but in Switzerland, it's pretty much up to the individual instructor, which procedures he emphasises. E.g. you must do a cross country with an instructor before you're allowed to take the checkride. But nowhere it is written what the instructor tells you during this cross country. So good instructors have you prepare the flight, draw circles on the map around the airports, have you do all kinds of calculations during the flight, often ask you where you would land from here, ask you where the next thermal is supposed to be etc. If you do the same flight with a bad instructor, then it's just a nice flight from which you won't learn much. so I really think your best choice would be to spend an hour and dicuss the procedures. Stefan |
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Micael
I just happen to be an Italian pilot who now flies out of Minden. The only substantial difference that I can think of is that in Italy we do not have a real equivalent of a PTS, the description of the practical exams for the licence is not so detailed. I'm not sure if this is good or bad, on one side pilots do not end up with "if I know to do A, B and C in this exact way I'm good enough", on the other the practical knowledge is pretty much depending from the person of your instructor. Maybe some other italian fellow pilot can comment on this. That said, I've got the occasion to fly in different places in Italy and in France before coming here. Almost all places (every different club/operation) are actually having some kind of "special" way to do things. Here I've flown only out of Minden and Truckee, and while I do have seen interesting and distinctive points (that famous "waggling the tail" to start...) they are not much more than everything a good pilot have to check out anycase while flying on a new airport. ....I'm just wondering, how happened that guy has US power and CFI, and then Italian gliders?... Of course, if you have any specific question I might help you out you can contact me directly. Regards (Michael) wrote in message . com... Can anyone who is familiar with soaring instruction in the US and Italy comment on the differences? I ask because I have started training a 'student' - actually an Italian licensed glider pilot - who wants to add US glider ratings to his US commercial and CFI certificates. His flying is generally very good, but I have already noticed that there are things he is not familiar with that any US glider pilot with a hundred flights would certainly know. So far, I've noticed that there are certain wing runner signals he is not familiar with - I assume this is because Italian procedures differ from those in the US. He also has obviously had no instruction in formal glider XC planning (as opposed to actually flying XC - this he has done) and has never heard of the PTS accuracy landing as we do it in the US. I would appreciate as much information on the differences between the US and Italian systems of instruction as possible, mainly so that I can identify the likely problem areas and make sure we cover them in depth. I've tried to find the Italian equivalent of a glider PTS, and have had no luck at all. Michael |
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Stefan "stefan"@mus. INVALID .ch wrote
Agreed. But why not sit down with him and discuss the procedures? We did, at length. And I was able to identify a number of areas where his training was different, and in some cases not as extensive as in the US. Of course we went over those areas (including, surprisingly, some flight maneuvers) until he was up to us comm/CFI standards. But this is my very first time training a CFI candidate OR a foreign transition pilot, in any category/class. Call it paranoia if you will, but in so far as it is humanly possible, I wanted to be sure there were no fine points that I left out. As I interpret your posts, in the USA, you have fairly strict procedures written on paper. We have the Practical Test Standards and the Soaring Flight Manual. Due to the nature of our training, ALL US-trained pilots are familiar with both. The former describes the checkride maneuvers and performance standards; the latter normal operating practices. Thus we all have the same signals, we all turn the same direction on release, etc... so I really think your best choice would be to spend an hour and dicuss the procedures. We have spent significantly more than an hour. Had we uncovered only two or three differences, I would be less concerned. But we uncovered many, which makes me concerned that maybe we missed something. Michael |
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Michael wrote:
We have the Practical Test Standards and the Soaring Flight Manual. Due to the nature of our training, ALL US-trained pilots are familiar with both. The former describes the checkride maneuvers and performance standards; the latter normal operating practices. Thus we all have the same signals, we all turn the same direction on release, etc... This makes me think: Why not have him read those two books? Just an idea... Stefan |
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Stefan "stefan"@mus. INVALID .ch wrote
This makes me think: Why not have him read those two books? Just an idea... Of course I did. In the US, it is almost unthinkable to send a student to a glider checkride who had not seen these books. The fact remains that the Soaring Flight Manual mostly contains information that is already familiar to him. When one must read a book containing mostly familiar information, it is only human to move quickly - and maybe miss something. Michael |
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Mark James Boyd wrote:
The only thing you can be absolutely certain he DOESN'T know is the US CFR's. Not at all. If you read the original post that started this discussion, you'll see that the Italian student already has a US comm/CFI power rating. Tony V. P.S You're a company called "Powergen" and you have an Italian subsidiary and you don't know English. What would you call the web site? How about http://www.powergenitalia, of course. This is a legit web site - not a joke. |
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