If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
Robey Price wrote:
gwb signed a statement of intent in 1968, saying he planned to make flying in the TX ANG a life long commitment. You're kidding right? What AF Form was this AF FORM LLC? I can't figure out why guys make stuff up in newsgroups like this, as if your not going to be called on your BS. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
sharpest101 wrote:
Drug tests for aviators were implemented in April 1972. His next exam was for October of 1972 Drug test aren't scheduled for reasons that any rational person could see. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
|
#24
|
|||
|
|||
After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police,
(BUFDRVR) confessed the following: Robey Price wrote: gwb signed a statement of intent in 1968, saying he planned to make flying in the TX ANG a life long commitment. You're kidding right? What AF Form was this AF FORM LLC? I can't figure out why guys make stuff up in newsgroups like this, as if your not going to be called on your BS. Check here for a document titled "Statement of Intent" http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdoc...onnel_File.pdf Page 7 of 25 cupcake...made it up did I? Bull**** was it? Sorry BUFDRVR what's that you said? Feel free to type "mea culpa." Your turn. |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Ian
MacLure confessed the following: GWB's interest or lack thereof is kind of irrelevant in this context because the requirements of the serivce had changed radically between 1968 and 1972, So, even if he wanted to do nothing else with his life but fly fighters its questionable whether there would have been room for him. Reducing the pilot cadre by half means a lot of folks get benched including as has been pointed out nearly fully trained carrier pilots by the hundreds. Not true, I've "rushed" ANG units and I've been in an ANG unit. They spend the money (charged to their accounts) to send somebody thru UPT and RTU, they'll keep you if you say...damn straight I want to fly XXX. Robey |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
Actually the answer today and for the past 15 years (in my case) has
been no. I've never been drug tested at a flight physical. I've been randomly drug tested several (probably 20+) times in my career but again never at a physical. So what you are saying is that as someone who has been taking military flight physicals for the last 15 years there has never to your certain knowledge been any requirement to provide a specimen for a drug urinalysis nor, during the course of your physicals have you ever been asked to provide one? If so, that pretty well shuts down any "mandatory pee in a bottle during your routine physical" claims. Not, mind you that I expect the Dhimmicreep shills to take notice of this evidence. IBM Was talking to some Kalifornia Republican folks at a street fair today. Latest polls have Bush within 3 points of Trotskerry in Kalifornia. If true, this is not good for Trotskerry. Means it won't even be close. Correct. There is no mandatory drug test at flight physicals... at least for the last 15 years. Before that - I have no idea. Again doesn't prove or dispove anything 30 years ago... just lets people know what the facts are today in the AF. Lego Viper Driver __________________________________________________ _____________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Robey Price wrote:
Check here for a document titled "Statement of Intent" Yep, so what? I fail to see where he said (and you claimed he said) that military flying was going to be a "life long commitment". He specifically "intended" to finish his ADSC (which he did) and make *flying* a life long comittment. So your beef with Lt. Bush was that he failed to get a civilian rating or pursue the airlines? He certainly didn't do anything in that letter that some how comitted him to do anything than serve his ADSC. Page 7 of 25 cupcake...made it up did I? Yes. You claimed he was obligated to life long membership in the Air National Guard because of this document, that has been shown to be false. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
Not during a mandated drawdown they won't.
Robey, why are you persisting in this? This is the wrong newsgroup to be playing fast and loose with stuff most of us understand first hand. Please, enlighten us all on how the ANG fills unfunded positions flying fighter jets . . . Steve Swartz "Robey Price" wrote in message ... After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Ian MacLure confessed the following: GWB's interest or lack thereof is kind of irrelevant in this context because the requirements of the serivce had changed radically between 1968 and 1972, So, even if he wanted to do nothing else with his life but fly fighters its questionable whether there would have been room for him. Reducing the pilot cadre by half means a lot of folks get benched including as has been pointed out nearly fully trained carrier pilots by the hundreds. Not true, I've "rushed" ANG units and I've been in an ANG unit. They spend the money (charged to their accounts) to send somebody thru UPT and RTU, they'll keep you if you say...damn straight I want to fly XXX. Robey |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, "Leslie
Swartz" confessed the following: Not during a mandated drawdown they won't. Nobody is claiming that...well except you now. You have information on the manning document of the 111th FIS during its conversion from Dueces to Voodoos? I have not seen what you're addressing. Where can we find these documents? Who said their staffing was "a mandated drawdown?" We'll agree that the Rated Sup was commencing for the active duty guys, and controlled OERs were the rage, but the 111th FIS was in the midst of converting to an RTU sqdn. I suspect their manning document showed an increase in manpower. Robey, why are you persisting in this? Because I am skeptical of gwb [period]. I'm sincerely surprised that the guy gets a "free pass" from aviators of his generation. This is the wrong newsgroup to be playing fast and loose with stuff most of us understand first hand. What fast and loose? The guy got the benefit of dad's congressional gig to get into a fighter cockpit with an alchohol related bust in 1966, and the freakin' bare minimum AFOQT score...then he stopped flying after 22 months as a full up qualified F-102 pilot. Those are facts. Please, enlighten us all on how the ANG fills unfunded positions flying fighter jets . . . Quoi? Where was this RIF in the TX ANG you're suggesting (unfunded positions)? There is no paperwork indicating the 111th FIS was losing manpower (pilot slots)...they were converting. They spent the money to train gwb (UPT and RTU) and the return on their investment was 22 months as an MR (or "Qualified" for the pedant) F-102 pilot. Four years out of his 6 year OMS. I honestly have no idea where this notion of "unfunded positions" is coming from. As a unit converts a guy goes from being slotted from his "old" F-102 slot to his "new" F-101 slot or perhaps in the case of the TX ANG at the time T-33 or C-54 positions they had. Those qualifications (T-33 or C-54) are noted on the aeronautical orders published in the gwb related stuff I've referenced. The unit could waive the minimum hours to convert or have him fly as a target pilot until his time is up. He made no effort...he had no interest. Regarding ANG hiring for positions...I got hired for a specific billet in Sep 1990 only to have the NGB (National Guard Bureau) cut that position a week before the UTA weekend. The unit turned around and hired me for another specific position...without that I would not have been picked up by the ANG. In that same unit, a 1Lt was FEB'd, lost his flying slot and put into a support position rather than being cut loose (it was a ****ing match of sorts, the unit got their service obligation out of the Lt). I suppose an argument can be made that gwb's superiors in the 111th FIS were aware that he was not interested or that his personal life made him less than welcome (but there is no documentation of that). Why jettison the son of the congressman of your district? Hey because you can. Now if you're trying to say the 111th FIS was NOT interested in keeping gwb...hey I might buy that. I actually like that. They got "influenced" to take gwb; his pilot AFOQT was the minimum; UPT performance was average; he wasn't anything special; folks noticed his "give a ****" attitude; and the conversion to the F-101 was a convenient way to wipe their hands of him. Sorry congressman, the rules are the rules (this time) ours hands are tied, we can't keep Junior. Plausible, logical...and deniable. Hey...I do like that. Robey |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Juan Jiminez is a liar and a fraud (was: Zoom fables on ANN | ChuckSlusarczyk | Home Built | 105 | October 8th 04 12:38 AM |
Bush's guard record | JDKAHN | Home Built | 13 | October 3rd 04 09:38 PM |
George W. Bush Abortion Scandal that should have been | Psalm 110 | Military Aviation | 0 | August 12th 04 09:40 AM |
bush rules! | Be Kind | Military Aviation | 53 | February 14th 04 04:26 PM |