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ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine
"Mike Schumann" wrote in message ink.net... I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and looking out the window? Makes you really question a system where you get your pilots license and you are good to go for life. Maybe there should be some periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they need or have learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first got their license. Mike Schumann There is a review you know? Happens about every 2 years. |
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ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine
Me too
Bob Gardner 77+ "Bob Moore" wrote in message . 122... "Jay Honeck" wrote -- but I found myself thinking about all the 70 year-old pilots that hang out at my airport, and I realized that it could have easily happened to many of them. Now..now..Jay, Being 70 years old doesn't equate to being a "dumb****". Bob Moore 70+ |
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ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine
Jay Honeck wrote:
This Sheaffer fellow seems an awful lot like some of those guys -- except that he hopped in a 150 and blasted off into the most heavily defended airspace in the world, almost completely unprepared. How 'bout we change "heavily defended" to "heavily regulated"? I'm not sure our defenses are any more elaborate here than, say, Nellis or Tonopah. "Comedy of errors". hmph It might have been if it had only affected the two of them. Instead we had a near-panic in the downtown DC area and thousands of pilots flagged as "untrustworthy" simply by association. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://spf.pobox.com ____________________ |
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ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine
Roy Smith wrote:
In article , Stubby wrote: Roy Smith wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote: A simple "Follow me" sign would have solved the problem almost instantly -- but the crew in the Blackhawk had no such sign. They should have flown a code flag Lima. OK. I'll bite. Please explain. It means "Follow me" Do you know for sure that one of the choppers didn't fly the flag. Now, if I saw it, I'm not sure I'd understand what a chopper was trying to tell me. [I'd like to fly a flag with my cell phone number on it!] |
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ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine
I read the article too, but it scares me that there are pilots out
there flying with so littel understanding of navigation and airspace in general. I think the license suspension was justified, IMHO. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:
I can't believe people would be so penny-wise and pound-foolish. On the other hand, the decision to disconnect the lighter was probably made before the advent of all these hand-held, battery-operated devices. And my Etrex will run about 12 hours ona fresh set of rechargeable batteries. My Airmap may not last that long but surely enough for a typical cross-country flight. No cigarette lighter plugin is needed. Ron Lee |
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ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine
Mike Schumann wrote:
I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and looking out the window? Makes you really question a system where you get your pilots license and you are good to go for life. Maybe there should be some periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they need or have learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first got their license. If they'd drawn a straight line between Smoketown and Lumberton, they would have pretty much missed the entire ADIZ mess (and the class B as well). The straight line path if I recall runs right down the east edge of the ADIZ. If they'd have tracked down the eastern shore until past DC, they wouldn't have come close and the visual landmark (the Chesapeake bay) is pretty hard to miss. Yes, it does mean that they would have had to cross the water however. |
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ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine
Jay Honeck wrote:
The current issue of AOPA Pilot has a fascinating article about the two pilots (one certificated, one student) who penetrated the Washington ADIZ last spring, and brought the wrath of the government down upon us all. What struck me was the entirely casual way in which it all happened. Troy Martin (the student) and Jim Sheaffer (the 70 year old pilot -- NOT a flight instructor, as some had reported) had met completely by chance at an airport function, and become friends just a week before the flight. Martin had 30 hours of training, and was coming up on his long cross-country flights -- so when he heard that Sheaffer was planning a long flight from their base in Lancaster, PA to a North Carolina fly-in, he inquired about tagging along. Thus began the most atrociously influential ADIZ bust since 9/11. Another reason that we all learn de(a)d reckoning and pilotage. Not having a GPS is a pretty poor excuse for getting lost. How many years did airplanes navigate successfully, including across oceans, with no GPS? Yes, it sounds like the Feds intercepting weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, but this screw-up clearly rests on the shoulders of both of these pilots, and I hesitate to use the term pilot. Matt |
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Gene Seibel wrote:
There are informed 70 year olds and un-informed 70 year olds. Could have just as easily happened to some cocky 30 year old. -- Gene (70 is only 15 away) Seibel You're 85 and still using a computer! I'm impressed!! :-) Matt |
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