IVAN--Pensacola NMNA survived (unconfirmed report)

A majority of base roads are impassable.
Generator power to selected buildings only
Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
suffered "significant" damage.
Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
Monday.
Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
lab destroyed.
Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.

Coast Guard station reported destroyed
Air Station Cemetery intact
Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down

Blue Angels
All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
their homes - currently
working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold

NAS Whiting Field
Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
approximately two weeks.

"Jake Donovan" wrote in message news:p6P3d.52316$9Y5.33484@fed1read02...
A majority of base roads are impassable.
Generator power to selected buildings only
Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
suffered "significant" damage.
Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
Monday.
Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
lab destroyed.
Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.

Coast Guard station reported destroyed
Air Station Cemetery intact
Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down

Blue Angels
All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
their homes - currently
working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold

NAS Whiting Field
Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
approximately two weeks.

Great News!

I just read an online article from the Miama Herald that says the
museum fared very well. "There was minimum damage," said retired Vice
Adm. Jack Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
Foundation. "The museum is in great shape." The article continues: "He
said only two of about 70 planes displayed outside on the flight line
at Pensacola Naval Air Station were damaged. Aircraft inside the
museum and a restoration building were unharmed. Other than some water
penetration near the entrance, the museum itself is fine, Fetterman
said."

Also: "We could be up for visitors within a week and a half to two
weeks," Fetterman said.

This is certainly a relief. I am still trying to reach NAS JRB NO to
confirm if the Blue Angels are temporarily moving their base there.

Best--Karen

old hoodoo wrote in message ...
Karen:

Let me guess...you are/were a teacher. :-)

Hello Old Hoodoo:

My career has been in the space program (Shuttle). I did do some
substitute teaching while finishing a graduate degree. My current(NASA
related)job includes, among many other things, educational and public
outreach. I have just always loved airplanes and spaceships. My idea
of a great vacation is to visit an aviation museum or air show, and my
current job has afforded me the opportunity to do a lot of that. Best
- Karen

Yes, I was tired, but that is not an excuse. I think I made the error
when editing. I try to get it right, but now and again these one and
1/2 eyes of mine miss details, especially in the proofing department. Of
course, on newsgroups, grammar is not a top priority, as we have many
people from many different educational levels and languages posting here
with often important and fun things to say. Content is what matters,
not which fork one uses. Wait till you read something written by a Finn
or a Frenchman....please don't criticize their grammar, they write our
language better than we can do theirs and they often have a lot of good
things to say. Don't discourage them....or me..please!

That said, I will try to be a little more careful when I write.

Al ("Old Hoodoo" tbe nickname of the predreadnought USS Texas)

Karen Johnson wrote:

Cub Driver wrote in message . ..

Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
they appear to most probably were just have been tied down.

They appear to were just have been tied down?

Try "They appear to have merely been tied down"--that is, no heroic
measures such as being mounted on plyons. The poster could have been
tired, or he could have been educated in an American public school in
the past thirty years.

(Actually, I seem to recall a Hornet? or two being pylon-mounted in a
near-vertical climb at the museum.)

As it does for Al (Old Hoodoo), this news breaks my heart, because
after six years the Finnish Brewster Buffalo safely arrived at
Pensacola barely four weeks ago. I hope it survived the blow and the
rain all right, and I hope that the damage to the museum won't delay
my chances of viewing the airplane into a seventh year!

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
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Hello Everyone:

This is my very first post to a news group. (Please forgive any
mistakes in posting.) I have been reading this group because I am an
"airplane nut," a Blue Angels fan, and have great respect for the
military. (Thank you to all of you who serve(d) our country.)

I feel compelled to post now to express best wishes for the folks at
NAS Pensacola and the NMNA as they recover from Hurricane Ivan damage.
I first visited both when I attended the Blue Angels homecoming last
November. I fell in love with Pensacola and even joined the museum.
Like all of you, through Google searches, I am searching for
information. I just read that the BA intend to perform at Salinas and
Miramar. I called Miramar last Friday and a lady told me they have
heard nothing about the possibility of the team cancelling. I am
looking forward to attending the Miramar show next month. Also, an
article says the BA are moving their base to New Orleans (I presume
NAS JRB NO at Belle Chasse. I called NAS JRB NO to verify, but it was
after 4:00, so no one answered.)I hope they can fly the New Orleans
show scheduled for Oct. 23-24, because I plan to bring my 3 year old
great nephew, who I am already training to love airplanes and the
Blues. One must raise up these children right!

Best wishes to all--Karen

I have just always loved airplanes and spaceships. My idea
of a great vacation is to visit an aviation museum or air show, and my
current job has afforded me the opportunity to do a lot of that. Best
- Karen

Do you ever get over to Lakeland for Sun 'n Fun??

Leanne

Super NEWs INDEED! Thanks Karen, for posting it.

Karen Johnson wrote:
"Jake Donovan" wrote in message news:p6P3d.52316$9Y5.33484@fed1read02...

A majority of base roads are impassable.
Generator power to selected buildings only
Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
suffered "significant" damage.
Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
Monday.
Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
lab destroyed.
Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.

Coast Guard station reported destroyed
Air Station Cemetery intact
Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down

Blue Angels
All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
their homes - currently
working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold

NAS Whiting Field
Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
approximately two weeks.


Great News!

I just read an online article from the Miama Herald that says the
museum fared very well. "There was minimum damage," said retired Vice
Adm. Jack Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
Foundation. "The museum is in great shape." The article continues: "He
said only two of about 70 planes displayed outside on the flight line
at Pensacola Naval Air Station were damaged. Aircraft inside the
museum and a restoration building were unharmed. Other than some water
penetration near the entrance, the museum itself is fine, Fetterman
said."

Also: "We could be up for visitors within a week and a half to two
weeks," Fetterman said.

This is certainly a relief. I am still trying to reach NAS JRB NO to
confirm if the Blue Angels are temporarily moving their base there.

Best--Karen

Lynn:

Honestly, I don't know where. I was kind of grumpy when they took the
plane and did not inquire...however I think it is near a
McDonnel-Douglas factory as it mentioned a lot of retired MD factory
workers were going to work on it. It seemed like a small city was
sponsoring it. Looks like it has found a good home. The main guy that
was taking care of the bird here in Victoria died of a heart attack and
the plane fell into a bit of a funk in terms of constant care and the
city saw a chance to get rid of it and moved quickly before the vacuum
could be filled. NEVER turn your back on a bureaucrat!


The aircraft is an F-101F, formerly a Texas Air Guard bird at Ellington,
was previously based at Tyndall AFB. There is at least one picture of
the bird flying in TANG markings and Tyndall markings but my serial
information is in a box somewhere.

AL

Al

Lynn in StLou wrote:

old hoodoo wrote:

In Victoria Texas. However the F-101 just got moved this summer to
Missouri after being here ten years. Bummer. I will never again dealt
with City politicians. They have been on a crusade to get rid of all
historical artifacts in the City. Lost a great Locomotive engine a
couple of years ago. I'm moving eventually, historically speaking, this
town sucks.

Al


Really? To where in MO? There is an F-101 at Spirit of St Louis
Airport, but that has been there several years. Am not familiar with
any other locations here in the Show Me state.

Thanks

On 21 Sep 2004 14:22:04 -0700, (Karen Johnson) wrote:

Great News!

Thanks for the pointer, Karen. (Registering to read the article was a
pain. I wish newspapers would get over that idea.)

I've posted the article at
http://p196.ezboard.com/fwarbirdsfor...picID=17.topic
for anyone who wants to read it without registering. Since it's AP, I
reckon it's available at other sites as well.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:11:16 -0400, Cub Driver wrote:

Thanks for the pointer, Karen. (Registering to read the article was a
pain. I wish newspapers would get over that idea.)

Bookmark this site: http://www.bugmenot.com/

--

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

old hoodoo wrote:
Lynn:

Honestly, I don't know where. I was kind of grumpy when they took the
plane and did not inquire...however I think it is near a
McDonnel-Douglas factory as it mentioned a lot of retired MD factory
workers were going to work on it. It seemed like a small city was
sponsoring it. Looks like it has found a good home. The main guy that
was taking care of the bird here in Victoria died of a heart attack and
the plane fell into a bit of a funk in terms of constant care and the
city saw a chance to get rid of it and moved quickly before the vacuum
could be filled. NEVER turn your back on a bureaucrat!


The aircraft is an F-101F, formerly a Texas Air Guard bird at Ellington,
was previously based at Tyndall AFB. There is at least one picture of
the bird flying in TANG markings and Tyndall markings but my serial
information is in a box somewhere.

AL

FWIW, Spirit of St Louis airport is just west of
St Louis in the MO river bottoms. McD-D, now
Boeing, is about 10 minutes from me. What I did
notice is that the 101 at SoStL was different; at
least it had a new paint job. I am wondering if
they moved your 101 there and took the 101 that
had been there somewhere for resto. I will go
take a look later this week. Maybe it is your
101. If so, it has an okay home. Not the best in
the world.

Thanks for the response

--
Lynn in StLou
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Yeff wrote in message ...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:11:16 -0400, Cub Driver wrote:

Thanks for the pointer, Karen. (Registering to read the article was a
pain. I wish newspapers would get over that idea.)

Bookmark this site: http://www.bugmenot.com/

More Blue Angels Information:

I talked to Public Affairs at NAS JRB New Orleans. He said he is "not
authorized" to release information about whether the team will
temporarily base aboard NO, except to say that the C-130 (Fat
Albert)has dropped in a few times enroute to other points. (I guess
"official" word on anything BA related should rightfully come directly
from the team PA Officer.) He also indicated that future airshow
appearances are "in limbo." Of course, our primary concern is for the
welfare of the team and their families.

Thought you might like to know there is another AP online article that
shows a picture of Commander Russ Bartlett at
http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/flori...192844,00.html
And, FYI, there is a new web site about the original Blue Angel, Butch
Voris, at http://www.firstblueangel.com/ He has a book out.

Best to all. Karen