Do you support establishing a US Club Class? Yes answers only!

I suggest we have a club class nationals and sports class nationals
each year in different locations. Allow the club class nationals to be
in the west one year with the sports class nationals in the eastern
US. Then the following year, alternate so the club class nationals is
in the east and the sports class nationals is in the west.

I would love to compete in a club class contest and would be thrilled
to compete in a club class nationals.

On Sep 21, 1:13*pm, Tim wrote:
Hello All:

If you have not figured it out, this is a topic I care passionnately
about...

Could we try and give the members of the US RC that post here/read
opinions here regularly an idea of the possible support for
establishing a stand alone US Club Class Nationals?

I recognize that the devil is alwawsy in the details, but please
answer yes to the following question, maybe a substantial turn-out
might impress upon the RC/USSTC.

While I appreciate the anti-Club Class Camp and their arguments,
supporters need to come up with some sort of data to support the
viability or confirm the impossibility of this Class here in the USA.

So, if you are not a supporter of this concept, or you do not
affirmatively know of a pilot who might be willing to fly such a
class, please do not post to this thread.

Question: Would you, or someone you know, would willingly fly or offer
your Club Class glider to someone who would fly at a stand-alone US
Club Class Nationals?

Thank You,

Tim S. McAllister
EY

2004,2006 US Team - Club Class
2005, 2007 FAI World GP

One RC member's positions:
1- I support the development of the club class building from the
regional level to the point where there is participation on a national
level sufficient to have a viable and meaningful national championship
anywhere in the US.
2- I do not support the expansion of the handicap list beyond the
range used at the most recent WGC. My personal experience is that the
gliders flying in this class do require some pilot adaptation in order
to be competitive.
3- I do support allowing gliders within the handicap range, but not on
the IGC list, to participate.
4- I do not support the elimination of the provision currently in
place to not allow previous US FAI WGC to represent the US in the WGC.
My position on this may well change if we don't start to see more than
a couple pilots serious enough to fly in the contests required to
qualify.
These are my personal opinions which will be part of my contribution
to the ongoing rules process
H Nixon
UH
2001, 2002 US Team- Club Class
SSA Competition Rules Subcommittee Chair

On Sep 24, 7:27*pm, wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:13*pm, Tim wrote:





Hello All:

If you have not figured it out, this is a topic I care passionnately
about...

Could we try and give the members of the US RC that post here/read
opinions here regularly an idea of the possible support for
establishing a stand alone US Club Class Nationals?

I recognize that the devil is alwawsy in the details, but please
answer yes to the following question, maybe a substantial turn-out
might impress upon the RC/USSTC.

While I appreciate the anti-Club Class Camp and their arguments,
supporters need to come up with some sort of data to support the
viability or confirm the impossibility of this Class here in the USA.

So, if you are not a supporter of this concept, or you do not
affirmatively know of a pilot who might be willing to fly such a
class, please do not post to this thread.

Question: Would you, or someone you know, would willingly fly or offer
your Club Class glider to someone who would fly at a stand-alone US
Club Class Nationals?

Thank You,

Tim S. McAllister
EY

2004,2006 US Team - Club Class
2005, 2007 FAI World GP

One RC member's positions:
1- I support the development of the club class building from the
regional level to the point where there is participation on a national
level sufficient to have a viable and meaningful national championship
anywhere in the US.
2- I do not support the expansion of the handicap list beyond the
range used at the most recent WGC. My personal experience is that the
gliders flying in this class do require some pilot adaptation in order
to be competitive.
3- I do support allowing gliders within the handicap range, but not on
the IGC list, to participate.
4- I do not support the elimination of the provision currently in
place to not allow previous US FAI WGC to represent the US in the WGC.
My position on this may well change if we don't start to see more than
a couple pilots serious enough to fly in the contests required to
qualify.
These are my personal opinions which will be part of my contribution
to the ongoing rules process
H Nixon
UH
2001, 2002 US Team- Club Class
SSA Competition Rules Subcommittee Chair

Hank,

If I look at 2 and 3 on your list it would allow current generation
Standard Class gliders (e.g. ASW-28, LS-8 and Discus 2) to compete in
club class since they have a handicap between the ASW-20 and the
Standard Cirrus. Is that correct?

If so, it's an interesting idea and is 100% within the objections
heard here that too much handicap range is bad - it actually _narrows_
the US Club Class handicap range by eliminating some flapped ships
like the LS-6 from cthe US list. BTW, there were 7 Discus 2s flying at
the 2010 Sports Nationals though admittedly 4 of them were USAFA
ships.

It would also significantly open up Club Class to many more highly-
ranked pilots who currently fly Standard Class. It might also
invigorate Standard Class by giving more competitive options to pilots
flying these ships. I presume there wouldn't be any objection to this
from the promoters of Club Class because of the narrow range of
handicaps allowed, but I'd be curious to hear if there is some
rationale as to why this isn't a good idea.

I'd be willing to support Hank's proposal, even though I have doubts
as to whether it will be enough, as a way to bring everyone together.

9B

On Sep 24, 7:27*pm, wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:13*pm, Tim wrote:





Hello All:

If you have not figured it out, this is a topic I care passionnately
about...

Could we try and give the members of the US RC that post here/read
opinions here regularly an idea of the possible support for
establishing a stand alone US Club Class Nationals?

I recognize that the devil is alwawsy in the details, but please
answer yes to the following question, maybe a substantial turn-out
might impress upon the RC/USSTC.

While I appreciate the anti-Club Class Camp and their arguments,
supporters need to come up with some sort of data to support the
viability or confirm the impossibility of this Class here in the USA.

So, if you are not a supporter of this concept, or you do not
affirmatively know of a pilot who might be willing to fly such a
class, please do not post to this thread.

Question: Would you, or someone you know, would willingly fly or offer
your Club Class glider to someone who would fly at a stand-alone US
Club Class Nationals?

Thank You,

Tim S. McAllister
EY

2004,2006 US Team - Club Class
2005, 2007 FAI World GP

One RC member's positions:
1- I support the development of the club class building from the
regional level to the point where there is participation on a national
level sufficient to have a viable and meaningful national championship
anywhere in the US.
2- I do not support the expansion of the handicap list beyond the
range used at the most recent WGC. My personal experience is that the
gliders flying in this class do require some pilot adaptation in order
to be competitive.
3- I do support allowing gliders within the handicap range, but not on
the IGC list, to participate.
4- I do not support the elimination of the provision currently in
place to not allow previous US FAI WGC to represent the US in the WGC.
My position on this may well change if we don't start to see more than
a couple pilots serious enough to fly in the contests required to
qualify.
These are my personal opinions which will be part of my contribution
to the ongoing rules process
H Nixon
UH
2001, 2002 US Team- Club Class
SSA Competition Rules Subcommittee Chair

Hank,

If I read points 2 and 3 right you are proposing to _narrow_ the range
of handicaps in the US Club Class - eliminating from the list the
likes of the LS-6 but also allowing the current generation of Standard
Class gliders, such as the ASW-28, Discus 2 and LS-8. Is that correct?

If that's the proposal it is interesting in that it completely blunts
the argument that we shouldn't broaden the handicap range of Club
Class (in fact it takes things in the opposite direction) but it does
allow a significant number of national caliber competition pilots to
fly Club Class. I'd be curious to hear reactions. I think it might be
too modest a move, but it could invigorate interest in Club Class AND
Standard Class by broadening the competitive possibilities for owners
of these glider types.

9B

On Sep 25, 2:55*pm, Andy wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:27*pm, wrote:





On Sep 21, 1:13*pm, Tim wrote:

Hello All:

If you have not figured it out, this is a topic I care passionnately
about...

Could we try and give the members of the US RC that post here/read
opinions here regularly an idea of the possible support for
establishing a stand alone US Club Class Nationals?

I recognize that the devil is alwawsy in the details, but please
answer yes to the following question, maybe a substantial turn-out
might impress upon the RC/USSTC.

While I appreciate the anti-Club Class Camp and their arguments,
supporters need to come up with some sort of data to support the
viability or confirm the impossibility of this Class here in the USA.

So, if you are not a supporter of this concept, or you do not
affirmatively know of a pilot who might be willing to fly such a
class, please do not post to this thread.

Question: Would you, or someone you know, would willingly fly or offer
your Club Class glider to someone who would fly at a stand-alone US
Club Class Nationals?

Thank You,

Tim S. McAllister
EY

2004,2006 US Team - Club Class
2005, 2007 FAI World GP

One RC member's positions:
1- I support the development of the club class building from the
regional level to the point where there is participation on a national
level sufficient to have a viable and meaningful national championship
anywhere in the US.
2- I do not support the expansion of the handicap list beyond the
range used at the most recent WGC. My personal experience is that the
gliders flying in this class do require some pilot adaptation in order
to be competitive.
3- I do support allowing gliders within the handicap range, but not on
the IGC list, to participate.
4- I do not support the elimination of the provision currently in
place to not allow previous US FAI WGC to represent the US in the WGC.
My position on this may well change if we don't start to see more than
a couple pilots serious enough to fly in the contests required to
qualify.
These are my personal opinions which will be part of my contribution
to the ongoing rules process
H Nixon
UH
2001, 2002 US Team- Club Class
SSA Competition Rules Subcommittee Chair

Hank,

If I read points 2 and 3 right you are proposing to _narrow_ the range
of handicaps in the US Club Class - eliminating from the list the
likes of the LS-6 but also allowing the current generation of Standard
Class gliders, such as the ASW-28, Discus 2 and LS-8. Is that correct?

If that's the proposal it is interesting in that it completely blunts
the argument that we shouldn't broaden the handicap range of Club
Class (in fact it takes things in the opposite direction) but it does
allow a significant number of national caliber competition pilots to
fly Club Class. I'd be curious to hear reactions. I think it might be
too modest a move, but it could invigorate interest in Club Class AND
Standard Class by broadening the competitive possibilities for owners
of these glider types.

9B

Sorry - didn't mean to post that twice!