Jon Johanson stranded in Antartica....

I agree with Jimmy,

Sell him the gas at what it costs to get it there and don't support all the
fools in the world.

In Arizona we had all sorts of fools that would try to cross washes (normally
dry creek beds) right after a rainstorm. Dozens of people would get stuck
because they were too lazy to go around and find a bridge. Now the people
that get stuck are billed for the cost of whatever was necessary to get them
to safety and the tow bill on the car when the wash subsided.

Not too many people think it's WORTH IT now.

--
Bart D. Hull

Tempe, Arizona

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Jimmy Galvin wrote:

You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself. Don't talk
for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self promotion, stupidity,
or whatever and ended up with his tit caught in the wringer. It is not up to
me and my tax dollars to bail his sorry ass out of the jamb he inflected on
himself. This goes for all those fools that climb mountains, trek through
caves, or go exploring in the woods relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries
to guide them along. They should all just be left to their own devices and
hopefully receive a Darwin Award for their efforts.
"Cam" wrote in message
...

On behalf of all normal Kiwi's . I appologise for our sick burocratic
politcaly correct government *******s (Bitches)
Cam..........



"John Ammeter" wrote in message
. ..

Jon Johanson, known for his round the world flights in his
RV-4 as well as flights to Oshkosh may have some trouble
getting out of Antartica....



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...=10&u=/nm/2003

1210/od_nm/adventurer_dc

My brother over-wintered at Siple Station in Antartica about thirty years
ago. I called him today for his view on this. McMurdo Base is the main US
supply base for most US operations in Antartica. The New Zealand base is
"just around the corner, within walking distance". Most vehicles down there
run on diesel fuel but they would have some gasoline for Ski Doo type
vehicles. The main runway is built on sea ice and it will breakup within a
month. In January icebreakers will carve a path to McMurdo for supply ships
to get in but those ships are already loaded and on their way. Cruise ships
visit the area during the brief summer. My brother was surprised the they
made him sleep in the fuel shed. Even in the summer McMurdo has lots of
barracks space.

Shipping to Antrartica is very expensive. If he has to hire a Twin Otter to
fly in fuel, he might find it's cheaper to abandon the airplane there. My
brother thinks they're playing hardball just to keep others away.

Rich

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:37:38 -0800, "Richard Isakson"
wrote:

My brother over-wintered at Siple Station in Antartica about thirty years
ago. I called him today for his view on this. McMurdo Base is the main US
supply base for most US operations in Antartica. The New Zealand base is
"just around the corner, within walking distance". Most vehicles down there
run on diesel fuel but they would have some gasoline for Ski Doo type
vehicles. The main runway is built on sea ice and it will breakup within a
month. In January icebreakers will carve a path to McMurdo for supply ships
to get in but those ships are already loaded and on their way. Cruise ships
visit the area during the brief summer. My brother was surprised the they
made him sleep in the fuel shed. Even in the summer McMurdo has lots of
barracks space.

Shipping to Antrartica is very expensive. If he has to hire a Twin Otter to
fly in fuel, he might find it's cheaper to abandon the airplane there. My
brother thinks they're playing hardball just to keep others away.

Rich


While I personally wouldn't fly a single engine airplane any great
distance over water I admire those who have the courage to do so.

So what is wrong with giving the guy the 80 gallons of gas and he buys
two 200 liter drums of gas in Christchurch and they fly them down in
the next C130 that has a little space available? Charge him for the
airfreight.

Don't tell me *every* C130 is at max gross or bulked out out of
Christchurch?

I think this is a good argument for abandoning the Antarctic bases.
After 50 years surely the human presence can be replaced by a few
automatic weather stations and satellite surveillance and we Aussies,
Kiwis and Americans get to save some taxes?

I think I'll write to my Member of Parliament urging the zeroing of
Antarctic funding. The damn place is of no economic benefit by
international agreement. Just a playground for a bunch of scientists
who probably don't want anyone else getting in on their sweet little
racket. Just like the NASA people. What we have had in both the
Antarctic and space is tourism with high entry barriers and
qualifications for the tourists.

Second Last thought - I wonder if he's sleeping in the fuel shed with
the right fuel in it?

Last thought - I hope I someday get the chance to refuse to help one
of these bureaucrats when he's in trouble and needs my assistance.

Mike Borgelt

Mike Borgelt wrote:

Last thought - I hope I someday get the chance to refuse to help one
of these bureaucrats when he's in trouble and needs my assistance.

These days you never know who may be a bureaucrat or future bureaucrat.
Therefore, I refuse to help anyone in need of assistance. I would imagine that
puts me in the same company as BOb again. ;-)

Russell Kent

Jon speaks english...and isn't it the agenda of the U.S. to give the taxpayers
moneys to only non english speaking counties....that hate us???

And feeding Jon or giving 80 gallons of fuel to him would not give anyone near
the benefit as sending mice into space to see if thay copulate or if house flys
can fly in zero gravity or even having a "base" in the Antartic...( what is
the benefit??? )

"BlakeleyTB" wrote in message
...
Jon speaks english...and isn't it the agenda of the U.S. to give the
taxpayers
moneys to only non english speaking counties....that hate us???

And feeding Jon or giving 80 gallons of fuel to him would not give anyone
near
the benefit as sending mice into space to see if thay copulate or if house
flys
can fly in zero gravity or even having a "base" in the Antartic...( what
is
the benefit??? )

If he gets 80 gallons and a cheeseburger, I want mine too!

Rich "Taxes?" S

Mike Borgelt wrote:

Last thought - I hope I someday get the chance to refuse to help one
of these bureaucrats when he's in trouble and needs my assistance.

These days you never know who may be a bureaucrat or future bureaucrat.
Therefore, I refuse to help anyone in need of assistance. I would imagine that
puts me in the same company as BOb again. ;-)

Russell Kent
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Poor me.
Constantly catching cacophonous crap.


All you Johanson bleeding hearts and Pollyannas, check this....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html



Barnyard BOb - bah humbug

RR Urban wrote:

Poor me.
Constantly catching cacophonous crap.

If you didn't make such a rewarding target, you'd probably catch less. :-)

All you Johanson bleeding hearts and Pollyannas, check this....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html

Either ABC News is mis-reporting (wow, what a shock... NOT.), or Lou Sanson ("chief
of Antarctica New Zealand, a government-funded research outfit") is mis-informed.
He is quoted as saying Johanson's trip was "ill-prepared and secret". The former is
arguable, the latter is flat-out false.

Russell Kent

Pollyanna = fuel from Polly?

--
Dan D.



..
"RR Urban" wrote in message ...

Mike Borgelt wrote:

snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Poor me.
Constantly catching cacophonous crap.


All you Johanson bleeding hearts and Pollyannas, check this....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html



Barnyard BOb - bah humbug

"Mike Borgelt" wrote ...
I think this is a good argument for abandoning the Antarctic bases.
After 50 years surely the human presence can be replaced by a few
automatic weather stations and satellite surveillance and we Aussies,
Kiwis and Americans get to save some taxes?

I think I'll write to my Member of Parliament urging the zeroing of
Antarctic funding. The damn place is of no economic benefit by
international agreement. Just a playground for a bunch of scientists
who probably don't want anyone else getting in on their sweet little
racket. Just like the NASA people. What we have had in both the
Antarctic and space is tourism with high entry barriers and
qualifications for the tourists.

Antartica is diplomatically sensitive for America. By international treaty
its considered an free and open continent. Without borders. For the free
use of all ... (for the most part run by and for America.) From time to
time the treaty comes up for renewal and if one member withdraws the
continent reverts to its origonal state. Lands areas claimed by several
countries. Ill defined borders and large areas claimed by more than one
state. America has no legal land claims in Antartica. Add to this the
story that certain areas have large regions where a black oily substance
oozes from the rocks and you have a recipe for chaos. And America can't
claim ANY of it.

Rich