Cadillac commercial accident?

On Oct 14, 10:07*am, Bart wrote:
On Oct 14, 9:13*am, GARY BOGGS wrote:

OK, I have accurate info now. They were attempting to get a shot of
the Escalade launching the DG-1000. *They were using a 200' rope.

200'? Or 2000' ?

Bart

It would be hard to get a good camera shot with the glider 2,000 feet
behind the Cadillac.

I am very sorry for all those involved in this terrible accident. I
know that everyone must feel terrible today. I KNOW that they thought
they were being very safe. They are good people, good pilots, safe
pilots, careful pilots. They had no idea that what they were doing
would lead to the death of a good friend. They did not know what they
did not know. They know it now. I think we should all be able to
learn from the mistakes of others. It is VERY easy to F-up. Any of
us is capable of letting our guard down, and all it takes is a
second. It's too late now for Lynn, but not for the rest of us. Get
more training if you don't know what you are doing. I hope there are
no law suites from this tragedy, but lets not let the fear of
litigation keep the rest of us from being better pilots. I sure wish
I had been there... You sound very scared Noel. I really hope you guys
are going to be alright.

Boggs

On 10/14/2011 9:54 AM, noel.wade wrote:
On Oct 14, 9:13 am, GARY wrote:
On Oct 1 If you can, I encourage

you to wait for accurate information.

OK, I have accurate info now.

GARY - NO YOU DO NOT. You are still operating on second-hand
information. You are still making assumptions (or the person you
spoke to was). You were not there. And neither you nor the person
you heard this from was in the cockpit with Lynn.

This is a global newsgroup. GLOBAL. It can be read and searched by
anyone. When you propose second-hand information as factual (as you
have just done), you create considerable potential for further
damage. Journalists can read this. Potential litigants (lawsuit-
filers) can read this. Anti-General-Aviation groups can read this.
All it takes is one little Google search.

What you are doing helps no one and can lead to a lot of potential
harm. Please stop spreading information that you cannot guarantee is
factual.

--Noel



On your view, no one can ever think about this accident.

My last post didn't come up for over an hour so I wrote the one that
comes before it.

Sorry for the confusion.

It is my opinion that we be open and honest about accidents. I know
others disagree with me on this and many other subjects. I will not
attack them because I think it is OK for people to disagree. Lets
keep this on the subject and not attack each other, OK?

Boggs

On Oct 14, 3:00*pm, GARY BOGGS wrote:
My last post didn't come up for over an hour so I wrote the one that
comes before it.

Sorry for the confusion.

It is my opinion that we be open and honest about accidents. *I know
others disagree with me on this and many other subjects. *I will not
attack them because I think it is OK for people to disagree. *Lets
keep this on the subject and not attack each other, OK?

Boggs

Not a comment, not a speculation, but a small observation......"IF"
the picture is of the crash scene, it "appears" that the starboard
dive brake is deployed and the port is not.

Gary Adams

On Oct 14, 1:48*pm, Gary wrote:

Not a comment, not a speculation, but a small observation......"IF"
the picture is of the crash scene, it "appears" that the starboard
dive brake is deployed and the port is not.

I wouldn't read too much into that. I've noted many crashes in which
one wing is bent back in such a way as to disrupt the airbrake
controls at the root rib. So the asymmetrical airbrake deployment
could be an effect, and not a cause.

Thanks, Bob K.

On Oct 14, 9:54*am, "noel.wade" wrote:
On Oct 14, 9:13*am, GARY BOGGS wrote:

On Oct 1 *If you can, I encourage

you to wait for accurate information.

OK, I have accurate info now.

GARY - NO YOU DO NOT. *You are still operating on second-hand
information. *You are still making assumptions (or the person you
spoke to was). *You were not there. *And neither you nor the person
you heard this from was in the cockpit with Lynn.

This is a global newsgroup. *GLOBAL. *It can be read and searched by
anyone. *When you propose second-hand information as factual (as you
have just done), you create considerable potential for further
damage. *Journalists can read this. *Potential litigants (lawsuit-
filers) can read this. *Anti-General-Aviation groups can read this.
All it takes is one little Google search.

What you are doing helps no one and can lead to a lot of potential
harm. *Please stop spreading information that you cannot guarantee is
factual.

--Noel

Any second hand information is more accurate and more useful than most
NTSB reports I read about glider accidents. Timely discussion is the
most important thing we can do to learn and make our own decisions.
Thanks Gary for your timely updates.

Ramy

On Oct 14, 11:18*am, Liam wrote:
On Oct 14, 10:07*am, Bart wrote:

On Oct 14, 9:13*am, GARY BOGGS wrote:

OK, I have accurate info now. They were attempting to get a shot of
the Escalade launching the DG-1000. *They were using a 200' rope.

200'? Or 2000' ?

Bart

It would be hard to get a good camera shot with the glider 2,000 feet
behind the Cadillac.

My thought exactly.
I am trying to be respectful and not voice my opinion about it.

Ramy

On Oct 14, 11:34*am, GARY BOGGS wrote:
I am very sorry for all those involved in this terrible accident. *I
know that everyone must feel terrible today. *I KNOW that they thought
they were being very safe. They are good people, good pilots, safe
pilots, careful pilots. *They had no idea that what they were doing
would lead to the death of a good friend. *They did not know what they
did not know. *They know it now. *I think we should all be able to
learn from the mistakes of others. *It is VERY easy to F-up. *Any of
us is capable of letting our guard down, and all it takes is a
second. *It's too late now for Lynn, but not for the rest of us. *Get
more training if you don't know what you are doing. *I hope there are
no law suites from this tragedy, but lets not let the fear of
litigation keep the rest of us from being better pilots. *I sure wish
I had been there... You sound very scared Noel. I really hope you guys
are going to be alright.

Boggs

In a sport like owers, knowledge is everything. What you don't know
will likely kill you. As such, we should all make sure to be as
knowledgable as possible with what we doing, and don't attempt what we
don't know. In my opinion, it all starts with the first sentence that
many of us heard when we went to the gliderport the first time "the
driving to the airport is more dangerous". Many still believe in it. I
did, until the first accident I heard about shortly after I started.
With this attitude, we let our guards down.
Before Noel attacks me, my comments above are in general and not
related to this paricular accident.

Ramy

On 10/14/2011 11:18 AM, Liam wrote:
On Oct 14, 10:07 am, wrote:
On Oct 14, 9:13 am, GARY wrote:

OK, I have accurate info now. They were attempting to get a shot of
the Escalade launching the DG-1000. They were using a 200' rope.

200'? Or 2000' ?

Bart

It would be hard to get a good camera shot with the glider 2,000 feet
behind the Cadillac.

The runway is 2550 feet long, too short for 2000 feet of cable and a
standard auto launch.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
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