DUI's and flying?

Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

Harsh, I know -- but here's how I figure this.

1. In younger days, I drove under the influence too many times myself.
2. I am not a "knee-jerk prohibitionist" when it comes to alcohol. At 45, I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
with friends does, too.
3. My father-in-law and uncle were alcoholics. My sister is an alcoholic.
I have observed these people drink themselves into oblivion. I know for a
fact that all of them got behind the wheel occasionally when they should not
have.
4. None of them was ever convicted of ANY DUI tickets.

Given my background, I think I am at least semi-qualified to say the
following:

1. Part86 has TWO DUI tickets.
2. He/she's either incredibly unlucky, or he/she has managed to drive while
drunk worse than the three most hard-core, practicing alcoholics I know.

Perhaps the law enforcement folks just have it in for Part86 -- but I doubt
it. One conviction could happen to anyone -- but I think it's pretty safe
to say that anyone with TWO DUI convictions is a practicing alcoholic, and
needs to walk away from booze, pronto.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I've got to rebut this one. I had 2 dui's about 16 years ago. I wasn't then,
nor am I now, an alcoholic. I still have an ocassional beer, but since I've
been married and had kids I hardly ever go out, and then it's either a Xmas
party or rock concert. I still have about a 6 pack left from a case in the
fridge from my son's birthday party in October (early). Most of the ones
gone, I didn't even drink. When I got the DUI's I was single and going out a
couple of nights a week to play pool and socialize. You can't spend time in
a bar and stay under the legal limit.

I know the drunk driving school I went to also uses the "You're in trouble
from drinking, therefore you're an alcoholic" theory, and it may be true in
most cases, but it is certainly not a rule without exceptions. According to
tthem, I should be dead by now, or at least back in jail since I haven't
totally sworn off drinking. Yet I'm not either. I'm going on 20 years at the
same job (ugh), have a modest home and a wonderful wife and kids. I also
have a plane of my own. I can honestly say I've never been happier, yet I
can still enjoy an ocassional beer. All after 2 dui convictions.

Also, I had to get rides to work when I lost my license. One of my regular
rides would pick up a six pack and four nips at lunchtime. He drank 3 beers
adn 2 nips at lunch, 2 nips during work and downed the other 3 beers on the
way home. Ironically, I was never the least bit concerned with his driving.
My father, however, who hasn't drunk in decades, made me a nervous wreck.

Cleaning up my desk just now, I found the letter from the FAA after applying
for my first Class 3 medical. It says:

Our review of your medical records has established that you are eligible for
a Third Class medical certificate. You are cautioned that further alcohol
related offenses, or evidence of alcohol abuse may require re-evaluation of
your medical certification.

So, even after 11 years, it was a factor to them. I think part86 may have to
jump through a few hoops for a while, but it is certainly doable. I'd
recommend getting the medical up front, just so you know wether it's worth
going for now or waiting a few years.

mike regish

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:1D3yb.153952$Dw6.618565@attbi_s02...
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

Harsh, I know -- but here's how I figure this.

1. In younger days, I drove under the influence too many times myself.
2. I am not a "knee-jerk prohibitionist" when it comes to alcohol. At 45,
I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
with friends does, too.
3. My father-in-law and uncle were alcoholics. My sister is an alcoholic.
I have observed these people drink themselves into oblivion. I know for a
fact that all of them got behind the wheel occasionally when they should
not
have.
4. None of them was ever convicted of ANY DUI tickets.

Given my background, I think I am at least semi-qualified to say the
following:

1. Part86 has TWO DUI tickets.
2. He/she's either incredibly unlucky, or he/she has managed to drive
while
drunk worse than the three most hard-core, practicing alcoholics I know.

Perhaps the law enforcement folks just have it in for Part86 -- but I
doubt
it. One conviction could happen to anyone -- but I think it's pretty
safe
to say that anyone with TWO DUI convictions is a practicing alcoholic, and
needs to walk away from booze, pronto.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:27:13 GMT, mike regish wrote:

You can't spend time in
a bar and stay under the legal limit.

You _can't_?

#m
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mike regish wrote:

You can't spend time in a bar and stay under the legal limit.

That's funny. I was always able to do so.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

I figured there was some story about you and drinking and alcoholics - Any
time there is such a reaction (just like your Bible beater issue)

On this I will have to say you are full of crap. You know nothing about the
circumstances and should not venture to say that you know what this person
should do about drinking or not drinking.

that is the problem with the internet. Everyone is "semi-qualified" to say
anything - whether it is a rant about religion or politics or drinking -
even on an aviation newsgroup.

For someone in the services industry you seem to be a little too intolerant.



"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:1D3yb.153952$Dw6.618565@attbi_s02...
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

Harsh, I know -- but here's how I figure this.

1. In younger days, I drove under the influence too many times myself.
2. I am not a "knee-jerk prohibitionist" when it comes to alcohol. At 45,
I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
with friends does, too.
3. My father-in-law and uncle were alcoholics. My sister is an alcoholic.
I have observed these people drink themselves into oblivion. I know for a
fact that all of them got behind the wheel occasionally when they should
not
have.
4. None of them was ever convicted of ANY DUI tickets.

Given my background, I think I am at least semi-qualified to say the
following:

1. Part86 has TWO DUI tickets.
2. He/she's either incredibly unlucky, or he/she has managed to drive
while
drunk worse than the three most hard-core, practicing alcoholics I know.

Perhaps the law enforcement folks just have it in for Part86 -- but I
doubt
it. One conviction could happen to anyone -- but I think it's pretty
safe
to say that anyone with TWO DUI convictions is a practicing alcoholic, and
needs to walk away from booze, pronto.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Richard Hertz" wrote

On this I will have to say you are full of crap.

\Perhaps he has a problem with people who have so little control, that they
continue to drink and drive.

You know nothing about the
circumstances and should not venture to say that you know what this person
should do about drinking or not drinking.

YES, HE CAN VENTURE TO SAY THAT HE SHOULD NOT DRINK AND DRIVE!

One DUI is a mistake.
Two, is an indication of a person without self discipline, or very
immature, or an indication of a person with an alcohol problem.

For someone in the services industry you seem to be a little too
intolerant.

Perhaps his position lets him see many too many people with alcohol
problems.

Where have you been the last decade or so? Have you not realized that there
is little tolerance for people who drink and drive?

To the original poster: Go ahead and try to do the flying thing. Be aware,
that if you did not change your ways, you will eventually screw up, and be
slapped backwards, all the way to yesterday, if there is another DUI.

I sincerely wish you good luck!
--
Jim in NC

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:15:57 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

At 45, I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
with friends does, too.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

NO! absolutely not.

#m

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Martin Hotze writes:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:15:57 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

At 45, I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
with friends does, too.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

NO! absolutely not.

True; more often I go home after a few gin-and-tonics, not being very
fond of beer.

Or after a few Cokes, if I'm the driver that night.

But I can have several drinks over the course of the evening and still
be *far* below the blood alcohol content required for a DUI
conviction.

The more interesting question, of course, is whether my driving is
enough impaired to worry about. At the levels I do it these days, I
don't believe it is.
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:1D3yb.153952$Dw6.618565@attbi_s02...
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

Harsh, I know -- but here's how I figure this.

1. In younger days, I drove under the influence too many times myself.
2. I am not a "knee-jerk prohibitionist" when it comes to alcohol. At 45,
I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
with friends does, too.

Not true. I go out to the bar with friends but we all take a cab to the bar
and take cab's home. It costs $5 to $30.00 each way. Idd rather pay that
then face court time, attorney's fees, evaluations, fines, loss of license,
loss of job, embarrassment, killing someone, ect.



The question is how much do you want to spend? $5,000 for dui or $30.00 for
a cab or if your to far away from home get have some one drop you off at a
motel and take a cab from there. If you cannot afford a cab or motel then
you should not be drinking. I don't feel sorry anyone that has got a DUI it
is there fault for making the drive don't drive decision. I my self will
take the lowest cost method.

Not true. I go out to the bar with friends but we all take a cab to the
bar
and take cab's home. It costs $5 to $30.00 each way. Idd rather pay that
then face court time, attorney's fees, evaluations, fines, loss of
license,
loss of job, embarrassment, killing someone, ect.

If I feel impaired, I do just that.

However, unlike my in long-past college days, I no longer drink "for
effect"... Nowadays I would rather have three really good beers, than ten
really cheap beers.

However, I'm not sure if the .08 Iowa blood alcohol limit would allow me to
feel impaired. I suppose that's a valid question I should be asking, and
testing. Anyone got a breath-alyzer I can borrow :-)?

(I can just see this one: "Honest, Mary -- I'm drinking for *science*!")
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"