presidential TFR - 3,291 statute miles square!

Do you really think that if the Dems get in charge that the "Rich"
pilots with their private plans will be treated any better.




On Fri, 28 May 2004 13:58:39 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:


Fortunately, we won't have to put up with this clown much longer:


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AVflash Volume 10, Number 22a -- May 23, 2004
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THE TFR THAT WAS, THE PRESIDENT THAT WASN'T ... THERE
Saturday (according to a TFR issued May 20) saw the airspace around
Austin (Texas) Bergstrom International Airport restricted for GA
traffic and open for the president ... who showed up but then skipped
the event he was in town to see. Alas, the Temporary Flight
Restriction, which read in part, "AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE
PROHIBITED WITHIN 30 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL1801" ... and then
in part two... "ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NMR TFR SHALL
BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN" was offered to the flying
public regardless of (clarity or) presidential presence. The
restrictions were intended to allow presidential access to the area
relatively free from free-range light aircraft and allow the proud
Bush parents to witness the graduation of daughter Jenna ... who also
didn't show up. Consistency, at least.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#187342


On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:32:13 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote in Message-Id: :


It looks like we're not the only ones who think baby Bush's 3,000+
square mile TFRs are too big:


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AOPA ePilot Volume 5, Issue 50 December 12, 2003
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PENNSYLVANIA LAWMAKERS CALL FOR SMALLER TFRs
Remember that poor pipeline patrol pilot who unwittingly flew over
the presidential motorcade in Philadelphia earlier this year? The
Pennsylvania legislature certainly does. AOPA President Phil Boyer
was the honored guest of state Rep. Gene McGill, an AOPA member, as
the House of Representatives on Monday passed, by a near-unanimous
vote, a resolution that calls on federal security officials to reduce
the size of temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) resulting from
presidential travel. The four-page resolution asks for authorities to
"reconsider the need to issue such restrictions based on nonspecific
threats and ways to improve the timely dissemination of flight
restriction information to pilots." The resolution will be sent to
key federal government officials. See AOPA Online
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...03-4-139x.html ).



On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:06:37 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote in Message-Id: :

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:07:34 -0400, Cub Driver wrote
in Message-Id: :

The prezdint is coming to Portsmouth and Manchester NH this week, and
AOPA reminds us that in such cases he is usually accompanied by a
60-mile TFR.

Right. Baby Bush inflicts a 60 nm diameter no-fly-zone on the NAS
wherever he goes in this country. They call it a 30 nm TFR, but it's
really 2,826 nautical miles square, or 3,291 statute miles square!

All he has to do to defeat the Democrats next year is to be near their
convention site during its duration; air transportation will be
halted.

--

Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

"Rene Felker" wrote in message
...
Do you really think that if the Dems get in charge that the "Rich"
pilots with their private plans will be treated any better.


Does anyone think they won't?

In article , "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

Do you really think that if the Dems get in charge that the "Rich"
pilots with their private plans will be treated any better.

Does anyone think they won't?

I'm quite confident that things will be worse if flip-flop
and his cronies are in charge.

--
Bob Noel

Well, Kerry has said that he thinks the security measures put in place for the
DNC is Boston are too extreme.

Dave Reinhart


Peter Gottlieb wrote:

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
news
Larry Dighera writes:

Fortunately, we won't have to put up with this clown much longer:

Election 2004--The End of an Error

Is there any indication that the TFR situation will change depending on the
outcome of the election?

I am guessing that the only thing that will change is the reduction of TFRs
due to the end of campaigning.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article , "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

Do you really think that if the Dems get in charge that the "Rich"
pilots with their private plans will be treated any better.

Does anyone think they won't?

I'm quite confident that things will be worse if flip-flop
and his cronies are in charge.

True enough...but not significantly worse.

Larry Dighera wrote:

Fortunately, we won't have to put up with this clown much longer:

[bunch of lifted text snipped]

You're joking, right, and not just clueless? Kerry wouldn't have massive
TFRs and would blink before shutting down airspace and airports for himself,
the no bill writing Senator? The entire Eastern Massachusetts region is
being shut this summer down on behalf of Kerry. Amtrak trains, commuter
trains, major commuter rail station, Interstates, major highways, secondary
roads, tunnels, bridges, buses, trolleys, and a major rapid transit station,
all to be shut down. Closed. Mayor Bloomberg has said the same will not
happen in New York which has nearly identical proximities from their arena
to their transportation hub (Penn Station). The Democrat response: take the
week off, or work from home. (Great advice to give a nurse, a waiter, a
carpenter, a janitor).

These are the same people that whine that the working class people are a
paycheck away from poverty and/or homelessness; now they tell everybody to
skip a week of work on their behalf. Not to mention the magnitude of
business lost, especially to the damned small business owners.

And you believe that John F. Kerry would have any qualms about a major
disruption to general aviation? This is the same person that had a Fire
Hydrant moved away from his Beacon Hill Boston townhouse because of the
terrible inconvenience to him. The same person that tells people to get
out of the way whereever he goes because "Do You Know Who I AM?
---

"The biggest problem: The convention's at Fleet Center, and Fleet is right
next to North Station — the transportation hub of the Hub. It includes a
commuter-rail station and a subway stop, both of which will be closed.

Worse, the city's major north-south thoroughfare, I-93, runs underground
right next to the Fleet Center — and the Secret Service demands it be shut
down for hours each day, including the entire afternoon commute, and not
just in the affected area, but for miles in either direction. Bridges and
tunnels will also be blocked."
-- Beantown Lockdown - NY Post
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/21741.htm

---

"In the space of two months, the Democratic National Convention has gone
from a $154 million boon to Boston to a potential $50 million hit to the
local economy as businesses absorb the magnitude of the announced highway,
street, and mass-transit closings.

Economists' conservative estimates of the loss range from $34.3 million to
$49.8 million for the week, but some forecasts say the potential losses
could be much higher if the effect on suburban communities is factored in as
well. Before the release of new traffic information, the convention had been
pegged in estimates at costing businesses $13 million, according to the
Beacon Hill Institute."
Convention Bust -- Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._boston_globe/

TinyUrl Version:
http://tinyurl.com/yurqv

Am I glad I live where no one wants to visit for more than a few
hours (the entire Mountain Time Zone -- we're ignored all the time).

Bush will be here Mon-Tues this week (Denver and COS) mostly to
visit the USAF Academy for graduation. Reading the NOTAM is fun.
The USAF Thunderbirds are explicitly excluded from the no-fly zone.

(*snicker*)

In article , "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

Do you really think that if the Dems get in charge that the "Rich"
pilots with their private plans will be treated any better.

Does anyone think they won't?

I'm quite confident that things will be worse if flip-flop
and his cronies are in charge.

True enough...but not significantly worse.

wrt flying, no argument. One reason I didn't upgrade to a bigger
better airplane is that I fully expect that flying in the northeast
will become virtually impossible inside of 10 years.

--
Bob Noel

David Reinhart wrote:

Well, Kerry has said that he thinks the security measures put in place for the
DNC is Boston are too extreme.

Yeah, that's why the Democrats have happily accepted them and told everybody with
a job to take the week off right? Meanwhile Mayor of New York has stated that
Penn Station will remain operating during the RNC convention after Boston
transportation is paralyzed on behalf of Kerry.

On Sun, 30 May 2004 12:18:48 -0400, Tom A. Carlson wrote:

"The biggest problem: The convention's at Fleet Center, and Fleet is right
next to North Station — the transportation hub of the Hub. It includes a
commuter-rail station and a subway stop, both of which will be closed.

Worse, the city's major north-south thoroughfare, I-93, runs underground
right next to the Fleet Center — and the Secret Service demands it be shut
down for hours each day, including the entire afternoon commute, and not
just in the affected area, but for miles in either direction. Bridges and
tunnels will also be blocked."
-- Beantown Lockdown - NY Post
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/21741.htm


whoever is in charge, you'll have those restrictions.
well, either you are very happy with them or it's time to kick some
people's ass. You know, _we_ the people ....

#m

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Martin!!! Maaaaartiiiin!!! Can you please flame this guy for me?
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