When is just clicking PTT an acknowledgement?

Xyzzy,

It's a good way to end those conversations with reasonable brevity and
politeness


Jeeze, don't you see how this is the ultimate irony? You waste precious
time on the frequency with that kind of senseless blathering, and then
care about ending it with brevity? shaking head in bewilderment

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Xyzzy,


It's a good way to end those conversations with reasonable brevity and
politeness



Jeeze, don't you see how this is the ultimate irony? You waste precious
time on the frequency with that kind of senseless blathering, and then
care about ending it with brevity? shaking head in bewilderment


sorry, missed your ideal of perfection. Like it or not, listen to the
CTAFs on pretty weekend flying days and this goes on all the time. You
can get into a lather over the fact that it's happening, or use the
useful device of the double-click to end conversations you get drawn
into without being rude to the person who started it.

I guess instead of double-clicking to end the conversation I could give
the friendly, garrolous pilot a stern lecture on proper use of the CTAF,
taking up even more time on the frequency. That's probably what you
would do, huh?

"xyzzy" wrote in message
...
I guess instead of double-clicking to end the conversation I could give
the friendly, garrolous pilot a stern lecture on proper use of the CTAF,
taking up even more time on the frequency. That's probably what you
would do, huh?

You could just ignore the "friendly, garrolous pilot" altogether. Why make
a bad situation worse?

I was departing a local uncontrolled airport today and heard a couple of
Cessnas talking to each other while sitting at the run-up area. They wasted
more than a minute of radio time chatting about how they'd switch over to
122.75 after takeoff.

I couldn't understand why they weren't already on 122.75 if they wanted to
sit there and chat.

Pete

Xyzzy,

or use the
useful device of the double-click to end conversations you get drawn
into without being rude to the person who started it.

I prefer to be rude to that one person instead of being rude to all those
others that try to get a useful word in on the CTAF. Not answering is the
solution.


I guess instead of double-clicking to end the conversation I could give
the friendly, garrolous pilot a stern lecture on proper use of the CTAF,
taking up even more time on the frequency. That's probably what you
would do, huh?


See above as to what I would do. Silence is golden.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

No offense, but I have no beef with this if, like almost anything else
in flying, it is done with common sense. I think most pilots have
enough of this (increasingly rare) commodity to know that they
probably shouldn't do this on the approach frequency into DFW, but on
123.00 at some rarely-used airport where there is no frequencey
congestion, it really isn't a problem.

I fail to see how 'Hey Joe, have a good day' is any more wasted
'bandwidth' or 'time' than the center controller telling me to have a
good day when he switches me over to approach. It's no biggie, and
certainly nothing to get one's panties all in a bunch over. Same with
the use of 'non-standard' replies like 'no joy'. The point of all
communication is to *communicate*. If you understand what I meant by
my specific communication, then it was successful. Every
pilot/controller understands what 'no joy' means. I won't teach it to
my students, but they will eventually pick it up, if they fly
enough...most pilots I know do eventually.

Either way, it's certainly not worth worrying about.

Cheers,

Cap


Thomas Borchert wrote in message ...
Xyzzy,

It's a good way to end those conversations with reasonable brevity and
politeness


Jeeze, don't you see how this is the ultimate irony? You waste precious
time on the frequency with that kind of senseless blathering, and then
care about ending it with brevity? shaking head in bewilderment

Captain,

Every
pilot/controller understands what 'no joy' means.


Uh, not, not at all. Look at my sig: I am from Germany, yet I hold a US
pilot certificate. Do you really think every foreigner would understand
that phrase? Dream on! OTOH, the correct phrase is in the book - I had
to learn it. And I did. Foreign pilots using US airspace is one reason
for standard phraseology - and a good one.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:KBvDb.553661$HS4.4223865@attbi_s01...
Somewhere I read that you should NOT acknowledge transmissions by just
pressing PTT briefly. Now, I had never heard that before, nor done it,
but since then I think I've heard it happen.

Can someone who is familiar with this explain the PTT-ack customs so I
know how to interpret it?

The easiest thing to do is take the high road and scoff at this
foolish and dangerous custom. It doesn't really unclutter the
airwaves much.

But, if you insist, do it this way. A click does NOT count as a
required acknowledgement of anything, so ...

ONLY use the "click" to acknowledge transmissions THAT REQUIRE NO
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

The best example would be an unsolicited wind check on final.

Tower: "Wind 260 at 14"
You: "click"

A more subtle example is to acknowledge information that's not a
directive.

Approach: "Skyhawk 8SA, climb and maintain 3000."
8SA: "Climbing 3000, 8SA".
Approach: "8SA, I'm working on getting you higher."
8SA "click"

Contrast this with:

Approach: "Skyhawk 8SA, climb and maintain 3000, expect higher in 10
minutes."
8SA "Climbing 3000, expecting higher in 10, 8SA"

Never. There is no way for ATC to know who clicked the mike...maybe the
pilot he was talking to, maybe someone else.

Bob Gardner

"Ben Jackson" wrote in message
news:KBvDb.553661$HS4.4223865@attbi_s01...
Somewhere I read that you should NOT acknowledge transmissions by just
pressing PTT briefly. Now, I had never heard that before, nor done it,
but since then I think I've heard it happen.

Can someone who is familiar with this explain the PTT-ack customs so I
know how to interpret it?

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:KBvDb.553661$HS4.4223865@attbi_s01...
Somewhere I read that you should NOT acknowledge transmissions by just
pressing PTT briefly. Now, I had never heard that before, nor done it,
but since then I think I've heard it happen.

Can someone who is familiar with this explain the PTT-ack customs so I
know how to interpret it?


I am a student pilot and don't have a lot of experience, but while
completeing my 3 required full stop landings at a towered airport I
flew to Fort Worth Alliance airport. The tower used the double-click
routinely to confirm my readbacks of his instructions. This let me
know that I had read back correctly and I assume that he would have
repeated his instructions had I read back something incorrectly.

Kenny G.